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<div>Testing...</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Cabbie&diff=30482Talk:Cabbie2019-02-22T22:00:49Z<p>Algernon: Created page with "Do we have a source for the Neil Dickson thing? Cabbie's VA isn't listed in the ep's credits and he sounds lot more like Gregg Berger to my ear. ~~~~"</p>
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<div>Do we have a source for the Neil Dickson thing? Cabbie's VA isn't listed in the ep's credits and he sounds lot more like Gregg Berger to my ear. [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] ([[User talk:Algernon|talk]]) 14:00, 22 February 2019 (PST)</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Sheena_Easton&diff=29684Sheena Easton2016-11-05T12:46:55Z<p>Algernon: Fixed Crom spelling</p>
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<div>[[Image:SheenaEaston.JPG|thumb|200px|Sheena Easton]]<br />
'''Sheena Easton''' is a Scottish singer and actress who voiced several characters on ''[[Gargoyles (TV series)|Gargoyles]]''.<br />
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==Roles on ''Gargoyles''==<br />
*[[Finella]]<br />
*[[Banshee]]/[[Molly]]/[[Crom-Cruach]]<br />
*[[Robyn Canmore]]<br />
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==Notes==<br />
Sheena Easton was [[Greg Weisman]]'s first choice of actress to play [[Princess Katharine]], but she was not available and the role instead went to [[Kath Soucie]], who had never worked with Greg before. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=2367]<br />
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Sheena Easton recorded the voice of the character of [[Fiona Canmore]] for a ''Gargoyles'' cross-over episode of the series ''[[Team Atlantis]]'', although the episode (and the series) was never finished.<br />
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==See also==<br />
*{{wikipedia|Sheena_Easton}}<br />
*{{imdb|0002054}}<br />
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[[Category:Voice Actors|Easton, Sheena]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=The_Hound_of_Ulster&diff=29683The Hound of Ulster2016-11-05T12:45:30Z<p>Algernon: Fixed Crom spelling</p>
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<div>[[Image:HoundofUlster.JPG|thumb|260px|]]<br />
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'''"The Hound of Ulster"''' is the forty-fifth televised episode of the series ''[[Gargoyles (TV series)|Gargoyles]]'', and the thirty-second episode of Season 2. It originally aired on February 6, 1996.<br />
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* Supervising Producers: [[Frank Paur]], [[Greg Weisman]]<br />
* Story by: [[Michael Reaves]]<br />
* Teleplay by: [[Diane Duane]], [[Peter Morwood]]<br />
* Story Edited by: Michael Reaves<br />
* Produced & Directed by: [[Bob Kline]]<br />
* Animation by: [[Tama Productions]]<br />
* Backgrounds by: Tama Productions, [[Jade Animation Productions]]<br />
* Additional Production Facilities: Jade Animation Productions<br />
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==Summary==<br />
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===Main Plot===<br />
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The [[Banshee]] captures [[Goliath]], [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]], and [[Angela]] in [[Ireland]] and traps them in [[Cairn na Culainn]] in order to try and get information about the [[Gathering]] out of them. [[Bronx]] joins forces with [[Rory Dugan]], who is actually the reincarnated form of [[Cu Chullain]], to save them. Rory's friend [[Molly]] tries to stop them, revealing herself to be the Banshee in disguise, and that she has been working to prevent Rory from recognizing his true heritage. Rory finds out the truth about himself and Molly, and together he and Bronx defeat the Banshee and free the others, and Ireland reclaims its hero.<br />
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===Subplots===<br />
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Banshee reveals that [[Oberon]] will soon begin the Gathering, and that all [[Oberon's Children]] are required to return home to [[Avalon]]. She doesn't want to go, and believes the travelers have come to collect her for Oberon.<br />
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Before realizing his true heritage as Cu Chullain, Rory feels he is stuck in Ireland with no job or money. [[Mr. Dugan|His father]] is disappointed in his son's lack of motivation, but is on the dole himself.<br />
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==First Appearances==<br />
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* [[Molly]]<br />
* [[Rory Dugan]]<br />
* [[Crom-Cruach]]<br />
* [[Banshee]]<br />
* [[Mr. Dugan]]<br />
* [[Cu Chullain]]<br />
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==Quotes==<br />
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* "I don't think we're in [[Scotland]], or Kansas either." - Elisa<br />
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* "So you're the terrible hound. Ugly as the back of a bus you are." - Rory<br />
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* "Skills may rust indeed, but true friendship stays bright." - Cu Chullain<br />
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* "But more than enough to deal with a noisy young hero, and his little dog too!" - Crom-Cruach<br />
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* "Bronx has a right to feel proud of himself. It's not every day that a land gets one of its old heroes back. And a land with a hero soon finds other deeds for him to do." - Goliath<br />
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==Continuity==<br />
[[Banshee]] is introduced in this episode, and mentions both [[Oberon]] (who will appear in "[[Ill Met By Moonlight]]") and the [[Gathering]]. Banshee reappears in "[[The Gathering Part One|The Gathering]]" Part One.<br />
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Cu Chullain is also introduced in this episode. He will next appear (in flashback, courtesy of [[Shari]]) in "[[Rock and Roll]]".<br />
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==Tidbits==<br />
A working title for this episode was "[[A Bronx Tail]]", a title later on used for an episode of ''[[The Goliath Chronicles]]''.<br />
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"The Hound of Ulster" includes several ''hommages'' to the film ''[[The Wizard of Oz]]''. When the travelers arrive in [[Ireland]], [[Elisa]] says "I don't think we're in Scotland, or Kansas, either." When the [[Banshee]] faces [[Cu Chullain]] and [[Bronx]] in her [[Crom-Cruach]] form, she describes it as "more than enough to deal with a noisy young hero, and his little dog, too". It should also be noted that the little dog in the film is Toto. Toto is Dorothy's pet cairn terrier in ''The Wizard of Oz''. This Scottish breed was named for its use in digging and hunting for prey among cairns (manmade stone structures such as Cairn na Culainn). The fact that Bronx is a dog-like beast of Scottish descent and is attacking a foe that is hiding in a cairn while being referenced to Toto is an incredible coincidence. While one can debate whether Bronx is indeed the Hound of Ulster reborn, perhaps the question should be asked if he is the reincarnation of Toto as well.<br />
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[[Greg Weisman]] briefly considered the possibility of a spin-off about [[Rory Dugan]] and [[Molly]], though evidently so briefly that it never even made the list of projected spin-offs in his Master Plan document. He recently revealed its working title: ''[[Heroes of Ulster]]''.<br />
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The episode strongly suggests that [[Gargoyle Beasts|gargoyle beasts]] are the original for the "black dogs" of British and Irish folklore. The accounts of these creatures vary from one region of the British Isles to the next, but are generally portrayed as great doglike animals, usually seen at night, formidable and fearsome to behold, but often (though not always) protective beings - a description that certainly applies to gargoyle beasts. On a related matter, Greg at first thought of entitling the episode "The Barghest"; "barghest" being a name for one variety of "black dog", though found in the folklore of Yorkshire rather than Ireland (which makes it just as well that he later dropped it).<br />
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"The Hound of Ulster" takes some liberties with Irish legend in its interpretation of Cu Chullain and the Banshee. Not only is the account of Cu Chullain defeating the Banshee an invention of the series, but so is the notion of his being allied to a "great hound", whether a gargoyle beast or otherwise. In the actual Cu Chullain legend, the "Hound of Ulster" was Cu Chullain himself, who had, as a boy, slain the great guard-dog of Culainn the Smith in self-defense and afterwards, to appease the angry Culainn, offered to take over the dog's duties (hence his name, "Cu Chullain" or "the Hound of Culainn"). Also, the Banshee is portrayed as a malevolent faerie whose wailing causes death; in the original Irish folk-tales, banshees are death-omens whose cries foretell death, but do not actually cause it.<br />
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The Banshee's monstrous form, Crom-Cruach the Death-Worm, also stems from Irish legend, if with some liberties taken from the original. Crom-Cruach was one of the ancient gods of Ireland, a particularly fearsome and malevolent figure who was finally overthrown by St. Patrick. (His name, incidentally, was taken up by Robert E. Howard in his Conan stories, making Crom the god worshipped by Conan's people, the Cimmerians.) The notion of Crom-Cruach being equated with the Banshee and looking something like a cross between a great serpent and an overgrown insect larva is the invention of ''Gargoyles'' again, however.<br />
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Rory/Cu Chullain bears a striking resemblance to the [[Marvel Comics]] take on Thor. In Marvel Comics, a lame doctor named Donald Blake, visiting [[Norway]], discovers a cane in a hidden cave which turns out to be Thor's hammer Mjolnir in disguise and transforms Donald Blake into Thor when he picks it up (it turns out much later on that Blake actually was Thor all along, temporarily banished to [[Earth]] and imprisoned in a [[human]] body by [[Odin]] to teach him humility). The similarity is unmistakable; in each case, a modern-day person discovers an old stick or cane underground which turns out to be the disguised weapon of a "real" mythical hero or god ("real" in the sense of existing in actual legends rather than being an invention of the writer), which transforms him into that same hero or god. Greg has openly regretted this similarity, and hopes to, if he ever produces further stories about Rory, tone down his resemblance to Thor/Donald Blake in them. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=410][http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=5423]<br />
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==DVD Release==<br />
* ''[[Gargoyles: Season Two, Volume Two]]''<br />
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==Links==<br />
*[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=411 Outline notes]<br />
*[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=410 Greg's Ramble]<br />
*[http://www.gargoyles-fans.org/reviews/ep45.htm Extensive Synopsis and Review]<br />
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8lA6l477ec Official episode upload on Disneyshows]<br />
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[[Category:Canon episodes|Hound of Ulster, The]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Banshee&diff=29682Banshee2016-11-05T12:43:03Z<p>Algernon: Fixed Crom spelling</p>
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<div>[[Image:Banshee.PNG|thumb|360px|The Banshee]]<br />
[[Image:Molly.png|thumb|300px|Molly]]<br />
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'''Banshee''' (Bean Sidhe in Irish-Gaelic) is a [[Oberon's Children|Child of Oberon]]. '''Molly''' is the [[human]] alter ego that the Banshee assumed for the purpose of preventing [[Rory Dugan]] from discovering that he was really a reincarnated [[Cu Chullain]]. '''Crom-Cruach''' is the animal form of the Banshee, also known as the "Death-Worm".<br />
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==History==<br />
The Banshee made her home away from home in [[Ireland]], where, during the Heroic Age of Ulster (around the end of the 1st century B.C. and the beginning of the 1st century A.D.), she threatened the entire island. The Irish hero Cu Chullain, aided by the [[Hound of Ulster]], overthrew her, however.<br />
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By the late 20th century, the Banshee had returned to Ireland, and there became aware that Cu Chullain had been reborn as the young Irishman Rory Dugan. Wishing to avoid a dangerous rematch with him, she decided to see to it that he never learned of his true identity, and therefore took on the guise of a human girl his age named Molly. As Molly, she encouraged Rory to waste his time in petty thefts, and even suggested that he move from Ireland to [[United States of America|America]], hoping that this would be enough to prevent him from discovering his heritage.<br />
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When [[Goliath]], [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]], [[Angela]], and [[Bronx]] came to Ireland on the [[Avalon World Tour]], the Banshee sensed their presence, and became aware of the fact that they had come from [[Avalon]]. Convinced that they had been sent to Ireland by [[Oberon]] to drag her back to Avalon for the [[Gathering]], and having no desire to leave Ireland, she captured all of them except Bronx and imprisoned them in [[Cairn na Culainn]], to interrogate them. However, Bronx, searching for help, met Rory, and helped lead him in discovering his true nature. The Banshee, her plans in ruins, cast off her Molly-disguise and battled Cu Chullain and Bronx, but was finally defeated by them. ''("[[The Hound of Ulster]]")''<br />
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[[Image:Banshee_Gag.JPG|thumb|230px|left|The Banshee with the gag on]]<br />
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When Oberon held the Gathering not long afterwards, the Banshee ignored his call back to the island. The [[Weird Sisters]] were sent by Oberon to discover the Banshee's hiding place, and then they dragged her back to Avalon. After she and [[Odin]] engaged in a brief and inconclusive battle there, Oberon pronounced judgment upon her for disobeying him; he placed a metal plate over her mouth so as to strip her of her voice, decreeing that her pride in her voice led to her disobedience and that he would lift it only when she showed true humility in her silence. ''("[[The Gathering Part One|The Gathering]]" Part One)''<br />
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{{CIT|The Banshee's future is cloudy at present, but these facts are known: she will eventually, somehow, regain her voice, and she will re-encounter Rory/Cu Chullain, but not quite as an enemy.}} [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=420][http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=3000] {{CIT|She does have feelings for him, deep down inside, and these feelings will gradually come more and more to the surface.}} [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=73]<br />
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==Characteristics==<br />
[[Image:CrommCruach.JPG|thumb|left|280px|Crom-Cruach]]<br />
In her regular form, the Banshee looks like a gaunt woman in a tattered green dress with long purple hair and pale bluish-purple skin. She can also take on the form of the Crom-Cruach, or of the [[human]] Molly. {{CIT|Her metal plate adapts to her various forms (and can even be glamoured to appear invisible) but she is still unable to speak.}} [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=10755] Her most powerful weapon in her regular form is her voice, which can mesmerize mortals or cause them considerable pain; indeed, her wailing is supposedly fatal to humans. {{CIT|She is apparently a very minor "death-goddess", but not nearly on the same level as Anubis.}} [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=2987]<br />
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The Crom-Cruach looks something like a gigantic insect larva with fearsome mandibles. The Banshee sometimes assumes this form in battle.<br />
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==Appearances==<br />
===As Banshee/Crom-Cruach===<br />
* "[[The Hound of Ulster]]" (First Appearance)<br />
* "[[The Gathering Part One]]"<br />
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===As Molly===<br />
* "[[The Hound of Ulster]]" (First Appearance)<br />
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==Real World Background==<br />
Banshees are a traditional part of Irish and Scottish legend, although not quite as malevolent as the Banshee of ''Gargoyles''. They are generally attached to ancient families, and whenever a member of a banshee's adopted family is about to die, she will appear to deliver her legendary wail, also known as a keening, as a death-omen. Like the Banshee of ''Gargoyles'', the banshees of Ireland have long hair and wear green dresses; they are beautiful, but their eyes are red with weeping. While the name "banshee" means "woman of the Sidhe" in Gaelic, implying that they are indeed faeries, some tales portray them as ghosts rather than faeries.<br />
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No banshees appear in the traditional legends about Cu Chullain, but there is an analogous figure to the Banshee in the Morrigan. The Morrigan was an Irish goddess of war and discord, who had something of a love-hate relationship with Cu Chullain. When he was fighting the war-host of Queen Maeve of Connacht single-handedly during the War of the Brown Bull, the Morrigan came to him in the form of a beautiful young woman and offered herself to him. Cu Chullain sent her away, telling her that he was too busy with the fighting for her. In anger, she returned three times to hinder him in the middle of his battle with the mighty warrior Loch, one as a herd of cows, once as a large eel, and once as a she-wolf; he drove her off each time. When he fought his final battle against Maeve's warriors upon the Plains of Muirthemne, she hovered overhead in the shape of a crow, and when he was slain, flew away, mourning him. It is quite possible that, in the [[Gargoyles Universe]], the Banshee and the Morrigan are one and the same.<br />
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In Irish legend, Crom-Cruach was a particularly powerful and fearsome Irish god whom it was extremely dangerous to worship. An idol of his, accompanied by the idols of twelve minor gods under his leadership, stood on the plain of Magh Sleacht, until St. Patrick, during his missionary work in Ireland, caused these idols to sink into the ground, banishing them forever.<br />
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==Production Background==<br />
'''Voice Actor:''' [[Sheena Easton]]<br />
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==See also==<br />
*{{wikipedia|Banshee}}<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Crom_Cruach|Crom-Cruach}}<br />
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[[Category:Canon characters]]<br />
[[Category:Children of Oberon]]<br />
[[Category:Real world characters]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Banshee&diff=29679Talk:Banshee2016-11-04T20:00:41Z<p>Algernon: Spelling question</p>
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<div>Could someone combine Banshee, Crom & Molly?--[[User:Gweisman|Gweisman]] 05:01, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I agree that Banshee and Crom should be combined, but I think Molly should have her own page. Crom is a form that the Banshee uses in battle or whatnot, but Molly is an actual person. Again, this comes down to group consensus and I don't love disagreeing with Greg on this one, but I wanted to put my thoughts on the matter out there. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 12:16, 22 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Molly is her own person? Since when? Keep the pages together. -[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 13:17, 22 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::For once, I think I'm in favour of keeping them merged. In general, I'm usually in favour of giving a unique article to anything that warrants it, especially since there is no upper limit on the number of pages we can have. But I'd rather wait until we see Molly in some new stories before we decide whether or not to split her off again. Depending on how such stories deal with her as a character, I think it could go either way. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 13:36, 22 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I noticed on Ask Greg, Weisman consistently spells it "Crom-Cruach" with one M rather than two. Though in the real world, both are valid. Should we change? [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] 13:00, 4 November 2016 (PDT)</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Dracula&diff=29511Dracula2016-08-14T19:11:55Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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[[Image:DraculaCover.png|thumb|300px|Cover for the 1916 edition of “Dracula”.]]<br />
[[Image:Dracula Cameo.jpg|thumb|200px|A person dressed as Dracula on Halloween 1995.]]<br />
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'''Dracula''' is a [[vampire]] figuratively immortalized by Irish novelist Bram Stoker. [[Greg Weisman]] has stated his intention to use the character in the [[Gargoyles Universe]] in one form or another. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=4796]<br />
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As in the real world, Dracula is a well-known figure of legend and popular culture. Several characters, including [[Elisa Maza]], have mentioned Dracula in relation to creepy places or situations. ''([[Awakening Part Three|"Awakening: Part Three"]], [[The Mirror|"The Mirror"]])'‘ Dracula is also a popular [[Halloween]] costume, with at least one person dressed as Dracula attending the Greenwich Village block party in [[Timeline#1995|1995]]. ''([[Eye of the Beholder|"Eye of the Beholder"]])''<br />
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It has been hinted that Dracula himself will one night roam the hallways of [[Castle Wyvern]]. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=47]<br />
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==Real World Background==<br />
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In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Satan|Devil]] himself.<br />
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Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
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Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
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Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham Van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murray, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmewood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
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The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
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As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
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Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
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According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
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Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
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On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.<br />
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How closely the Dracula of the Gargoyles Universe resembles either his literary or historical counterparts remains unknown.<br />
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==See Also==<br />
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*[http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/345 “Dracula” by Bram Stoker at Project Gutenburg]<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Dracula|Bram Stoker's ''Dracula''}}<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Vlad_Tepes|Vlad the Impaler}}<br />
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[[Category:Real world characters]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Dracula&diff=29510Dracula2016-08-14T19:08:35Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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[[Image:DraculaCover.png|thumb|300px|Cover for the 1916 edition of “Dracula”.]]<br />
[[Image:Dracula Cameo.jpg|thumb|200px|A person dressed as Dracula on Halloween 1995.]]<br />
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'''Dracula''' is a [[vampire]] figuratively immortalized by Irish novelist Bram Stoker. [[Greg Weisman]] has stated his intention to use the character in the [[Gargoyles Universe]] in one form or another. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=4796]<br />
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As in the real world, Dracula is a well-known figure of legend and popular culture. Several characters, including [[Elisa Maza]], have mentioned Dracula in relation to creepy places or situations. ''([[Awakening Part Three|"Awakening: Part Three"]], [[The Mirror|"The Mirror"]])'‘ Dracula is also a popular [[Halloween]] costume, with at least one person dressed as Dracula attending the Greenwich Village block party in [[Timeline#1995|1995]]. ''([[Eye of the Beholder|"Eye of the Beholder"]])''<br />
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It has been hinted that Dracula himself will one night roam the hallways of [[Castle Wyvern]]. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=47]<br />
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==Real World Background==<br />
<br />
In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Satan|Devil]] himself.<br />
<br />
Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
<br />
Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
<br />
Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham Van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murray, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmewood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
<br />
The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
<br />
As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
<br />
Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
<br />
According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
<br />
Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
<br />
On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
*[http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/345 “Dracula” by Bram Stoker at Project Gutenburg]<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Dracula|Bram Stoker's ''Dracula''}}<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Vlad_Tepes|Vlad the Impaler}}<br />
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[[Category:Canon-in-training characters]]<br />
[[Category:Real world characters]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=File:DraculaCover.png&diff=29509File:DraculaCover.png2016-08-14T19:08:00Z<p>Algernon: Cover of the 1916 edition of Dracula</p>
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[[Image:SpiderDrac.jpeg|thumb|300px|Cover for the 1916 edition of “Dracula”.]]<br />
[[Image:Dracula Cameo.jpg|thumb|200px|A person dressed as Dracula on Halloween 1995.]]<br />
<br />
'''Dracula''' is a [[vampire]] figuratively immortalized by Irish novelist Bram Stoker. [[Greg Weisman]] has stated his intention to use the character in the [[Gargoyles Universe]] in one form or another. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=4796]<br />
<br />
As in the real world, Dracula is a well-known figure of legend and popular culture. Several characters, including [[Elisa Maza]], have mentioned Dracula in relation to creepy places or situations. ''([[Awakening Part Three|"Awakening: Part Three"]], [[The Mirror|"The Mirror"]])'‘ Dracula is also a popular [[Halloween]] costume, with at least one person dressed as Dracula attending the Greenwich Village block party in [[Timeline#1995|1995]]. ''([[Eye of the Beholder|"Eye of the Beholder"]])''<br />
<br />
It has been hinted that Dracula himself will one night roam the hallways of [[Castle Wyvern]]. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=47]<br />
<br />
==Real World Background==<br />
<br />
In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Satan|Devil]] himself.<br />
<br />
Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
<br />
Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
<br />
Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham Van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murray, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmewood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
<br />
The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
<br />
As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
<br />
Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
<br />
According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
<br />
Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
<br />
On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
*[http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/345 “Dracula” by Bram Stoker at Project Gutenburg]<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Dracula|Bram Stoker's ''Dracula''}}<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Vlad_Tepes|Vlad the Impaler}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Canon-in-training characters]]<br />
[[Category:Real world characters]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Dracula&diff=29507Dracula2016-08-14T18:47:44Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<br />
[[Image:SpiderDrac.jpeg|thumb|200px|Cover for the 1916 edition of “Dracula”.]]<br />
[[Image:Dracula Cameo.jpg|thumb|200px|A person dressed as Dracula on Halloween 1995.]]<br />
<br />
'''Dracula''' is a [[vampire]] figuratively immortalized by Irish novelist Bram Stoker. [[Greg Weisman]] has stated his intention to use the character in the [[Gargoyles Universe]] in one form or another. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=4796]<br />
<br />
As in the real world, Dracula is a well-known figure of legend and popular culture. Several characters, including [[Elisa Maza]], have mentioned Dracula in relation to creepy places or situations. ''([[Awakening Part Three|"Awakening: Part Three"]], [[The Mirror|"The Mirror"]])'‘ Dracula is also a popular [[Halloween]] costume, with at least one person dressed as Dracula attending the Greenwich Village block party in [[Timeline#1995|1995]]. ''([[Eye of the Beholder|"Eye of the Beholder"]])''<br />
<br />
It has been hinted that Dracula himself will one night roam the hallways of [[Castle Wyvern]]. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=47]<br />
<br />
==Real World Background==<br />
<br />
In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Satan|Devil]] himself.<br />
<br />
Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
<br />
Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
<br />
Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham Van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murray, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmewood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
<br />
The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
<br />
As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
<br />
Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
<br />
According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
<br />
Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
<br />
On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
*[http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/345 “Dracula” by Bram Stoker at Project Gutenburg]<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Dracula|Bram Stoker's ''Dracula''}}<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Vlad_Tepes|Vlad the Impaler}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Canon-in-training characters]]<br />
[[Category:Real world characters]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Dracula&diff=29506Dracula2016-08-14T18:46:16Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>{{CIT article}}<br />
<br />
[[Image:Dracula Cameo.jpg|thumb|200px|A person dressed as Dracula on Halloween 1995.]]<br />
<br />
'''Dracula''' is a [[vampire]] figuratively immortalized by Irish novelist Bram Stoker. [[Greg Weisman]] has stated his intention to use the character in the [[Gargoyles Universe]] in one form or another. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=4796]<br />
<br />
As in the real world, Dracula is a well-known figure of legend and popular culture. Several characters, including [[Elisa Maza]], have mentioned Dracula in relation to creepy places or situations. ''([[Awakening Part Three|"Awakening: Part Three"]], [[The Mirror|"The Mirror"]])'‘ Dracula is also a popular [[Halloween]] costume, with at least one person dressed as Dracula attending the Greenwich Village block party in [[Timeline#1995|1995]]. ''([[Eye of the Beholder|"Eye of the Beholder"]])''<br />
<br />
It has been hinted that Dracula himself will one night roam the hallways of [[Castle Wyvern]]. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=47]<br />
<br />
==Real World Background==<br />
<br />
In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Satan|Devil]] himself.<br />
<br />
Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
<br />
Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
<br />
Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham Van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murray, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmewood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
<br />
The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
<br />
As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
<br />
Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
<br />
According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
<br />
Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
<br />
On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
*[http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/345 “Dracula” by Bram Stoker at Project Gutenburg]<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Dracula|Bram Stoker's ''Dracula''}}<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Vlad_Tepes|Vlad the Impaler}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Canon-in-training characters]]<br />
[[Category:Real world characters]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Dracula&diff=29505Dracula2016-08-14T18:45:54Z<p>Algernon: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{CIT article}}<br />
<br />
[[Image:SpiderDrac.jpeg|thumb|200px| Cover for the 1916 edition of “Dracula”.]]<br />
[[Image:Dracula Cameo.jpg|thumb|200px|A person dressed as Dracula on Halloween 1995.]]<br />
<br />
'''Dracula''' is a [[vampire]] figuratively immortalized by Irish novelist Bram Stoker. [[Greg Weisman]] has stated his intention to use the character in the [[Gargoyles Universe]] in one form or another. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=4796]<br />
<br />
As in the real world, Dracula is a well-known figure of legend and popular culture. Several characters, including [[Elisa Maza]], have mentioned Dracula in relation to creepy places or situations. ''([[Awakening Part Three|"Awakening: Part Three"]], [[The Mirror|"The Mirror"]])'‘ Dracula is also a popular [[Halloween]] costume, with at least one person dressed as Dracula attending the Greenwich Village block party in [[Timeline#1995|1995]]. ''([[Eye of the Beholder|"Eye of the Beholder"]])''<br />
<br />
It has been hinted that Dracula himself will one night roam the hallways of [[Castle Wyvern]]. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=47]<br />
<br />
==Real World Background==<br />
<br />
In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Satan|Devil]] himself.<br />
<br />
Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
<br />
Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
<br />
Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham Van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murray, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmewood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
<br />
The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
<br />
As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
<br />
Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
<br />
According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
<br />
Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
<br />
On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
*[http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/345 “Dracula” by Bram Stoker at Project Gutenburg]<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Dracula|Bram Stoker's ''Dracula''}}<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Vlad_Tepes|Vlad the Impaler}}<br />
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[[Category:Canon-in-training characters]]<br />
[[Category:Real world characters]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Dracula&diff=29504Dracula2016-08-14T18:44:31Z<p>Algernon: Finally got around to "revamping this page.</p>
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[[Image:SpiderDrac.jpeg|thumb|200px|Cover for the 1916 edition of “Dracula”.]]<br />
[[Image:Dracula Cameo.jpg|thumb|200px|A person dressed as Dracula on Halloween 1995.]]<br />
<br />
'''Dracula''' is a [[vampire]] figuratively immortalized by Irish novelist Bram Stoker. [[Greg Weisman]] has stated his intention to use the character in the [[Gargoyles Universe]] in one form or another. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=4796]<br />
<br />
As in the real world, Dracula is a well-known figure of legend and popular culture. Several characters, including [[Elisa Maza]], have mentioned Dracula in relation to creepy places or situations. ''([[Awakening Part Three|"Awakening: Part Three"]], [[The Mirror|"The Mirror"]])'‘ Dracula is also a popular [[Halloween]] costume, with at least one person dressed as Dracula attending the Greenwich Village block party in [[Timeline#1995|1995]]. ''([[Eye of the Beholder|"Eye of the Beholder"]])''<br />
<br />
It has been hinted that Dracula himself will one night roam the hallways of [[Castle Wyvern]]. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=47]<br />
<br />
==Real World Background==<br />
<br />
In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Satan|Devil]] himself.<br />
<br />
Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
<br />
Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
<br />
Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham Van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murray, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmewood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
<br />
The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
<br />
As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
<br />
Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
<br />
According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
<br />
Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
<br />
On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
*[http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/345 “Dracula” by Bram Stoker at Project Gutenburg]<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Dracula|Bram Stoker's ''Dracula''}}<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Vlad_Tepes|Vlad the Impaler}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Canon-in-training characters]]<br />
[[Category:Real world characters]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Dracula&diff=29503Dracula2016-08-14T18:43:34Z<p>Algernon: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{CIT article}}<br />
<br />
[[Image:Dracula Cameo.jpg|thumb|200px|A person dressed as Dracula on Halloween 1995.]]<br />
<br />
'''Dracula''' is a [[vampire]] figuratively immortalized by Irish novelist Bram Stoker. [[Greg Weisman]] has stated his intention to use the character in the [[Gargoyles Universe]] in one form or another. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=4796]<br />
<br />
As in the real world, Dracula is a well-known figure of legend and popular culture. Several characters, including [[Elisa Maza]], have mentioned Dracula in relation to creepy places or situations. ''([[Awakening Part Three|"Awakening: Part Three"]], [[The Mirror|"The Mirror"]])'‘ Dracula is also a popular [[Halloween]] costume, with at least one person dressed as Dracula attending the Greenwich Village block party in [[Timeline#1995|1995]]. ''([[Eye of the Beholder|"Eye of the Beholder"]])''<br />
<br />
It has been hinted that Dracula himself will one night roam the hallways of [[Castle Wyvern]]. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=47]<br />
<br />
==Real World Background==<br />
<br />
In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Satan|Devil]] himself.<br />
<br />
Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
<br />
Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
<br />
Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham Van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murray, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmewood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
<br />
The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
<br />
As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
<br />
Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
<br />
According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
<br />
Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
<br />
On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
*[http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/345 “Dracula” by Bram Stoker at Project Gutenburg]<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Dracula|Bram Stoker's ''Dracula''}}<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Vlad_Tepes|Vlad the Impaler}}<br />
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[[Category:Canon-in-training characters]]<br />
[[Category:Real world characters]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=User:Algernon&diff=29501User:Algernon2016-08-13T22:38:04Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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==Real World Background==<br />
In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Satan|Devil]] himself.<br />
<br />
Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
<br />
Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
<br />
Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murray, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmwood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
<br />
The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
<br />
As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
<br />
Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
<br />
According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
<br />
Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
<br />
On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=User:Algernon&diff=29499User:Algernon2016-08-13T20:57:24Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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==Real World Background==<br />
In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Satan|Devil]] himself.<br />
<br />
Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
<br />
Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
<br />
Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murry, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmwood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
<br />
The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
<br />
As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
<br />
Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
<br />
According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
<br />
Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
<br />
On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=User:Algernon&diff=29498User:Algernon2016-08-13T20:56:45Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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==Real World Background==<br />
In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Devil|Satan]] himself.<br />
<br />
Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
<br />
Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
<br />
Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murry, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmwood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
<br />
The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
<br />
As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
<br />
Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
<br />
According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
<br />
Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
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On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=User:Algernon&diff=29497User:Algernon2016-08-13T20:55:44Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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==Real World Background==<br />
In Stoker’s novel, Count Dracula was originally a medieval Transylvanian Voivode who waged war against the Ottoman Empire. An accomplished “soldier, statesman, and alchemist”, he supposedly studied at the Scholomance, a legendary school of the dark arts hidden somewhere in the Carpathian Mountains and overseen by the [[Devil|Satan]] himself.<br />
Dracula eventually rose from the grave as an undead vampire, presumably due to his necromantic studies. For centuries he terrorized the local peasants, lurking in a ruined castle somewhere in the Borgo Pass and attended by three female vampires who may be his wives, daughters or concubines.<br />
In the later years of the 19th century, Dracula conceived a plot to relocate himself from the desolate wilderness of Transylvania to the bustling metropolis of London, where he could prey on its “teeming millions” in relative anonymity. To this end, he lured Jonathan Harker, a young English solicitor, to his Castle to facilitate the purchase of a new lair in London. Once Harker has outlived his usefulness, the Count abandons him to the mercies of the three vampiresses.<br />
Once arrived in England, Dracula begins preying on Lucy Westerna, a young British socialite. Over the course of several weeks, he slowly drains her of blood until she inevitably succumbs to death and rises again as a vampire herself.<br />
Dracula is eventually exposed and driven from England by a team of erstwhile vampire hunters lead by Prof. Abraham van Helsing, a Dutch doctor and metaphysician. The team also includes Jonathan Harker escaped from Castle Dracula, his wife Mina Harker nee Murry, English Lord and the late Lucy’s fiancée Arthur Holmwood, Van Helsing’s protégé Dr. Jack Seward and American adventurer Quincey P. Morris.<br />
The novel reaches its climax in the shadow of Castle Dracula, where the hunters race to intercept Dracula’s coffin before his mortal servants can carry it back to the safety of his domain. The heroes manage to fight their way through the vampire’s minions, though Quincey is mortally wounded in the process.<br />
Just as the sun is about to set and Dracula regain his full powers, Harker and Quincey drove their iron knives into the vampire’s throat and heart respectively. The Count’s undead form crumbles to dust and his evil seemingly ended forever.<br />
As a vampire, Dracula possesses a number of supernatural powers. First and foremost, he is virtually immortal and supposedly invulnerable to mortal weapons. He possesses the strength of twenty men and can climb sheer walls in a “lizard like” fashion. He can summon storms and winds, command “meaner” animals such as rats and wolves, change his form to that of a wolf, bat or mist and mentally influence certain sensitive humans such as sleepwalkers and the mentally ill. By far, his most sinister power is the ability to transform his victims into undead like himself via a blasphemous “Baptism of Blood”.<br />
Dracula is also cursed with a number of weaknesses and limitations due to his unnatural nature. Most notably, he must feed on the blood of the living to maintain his undead existence, and spend at least a portion of every day sleeping in the consecrated soil of his own grave. He is repulsed by garlic and religious iconography such as a crucifix. He casts neither shadow nor reflection. He cannot cross running water under his own power except at slack or full tide, nor can he enter a home unless previously invited. Contrary to subsequent adaptions, Dracula is not burned by sunlight and is quite capable of operating during the daytime if need be. Though he can only call upon the majority of his supernatural abilities at night.<br />
According to Van Helsing, Dracula can only be slain by driving a wooden steak through his heart, cutting off his head and stuffing the mouth with garlic; or by firing a “sacred bullet” into his coffin. Though this seems to contradict the end of the novel where he is apparently slain by common iron knives.<br />
Dracula’s name is derived from that of the historical 15th century warlord Vlad Dracula AKA Vlad the Impaler. Scholars are divided as to what extant Stoker’s fictional Count was inspired by the historical Vlad, or if Stoker even knew much about the historical Vlad beyond his name. On the one hand, both the Count and Vlad were Voivodes (a title roughly translating as “Prince”) who fought the Ottomans before being betrayed by their “unworthy brother”. Vlad’s habit of disposing of his enemies via being impaled alive and other gruesome methods certainly fits the Count’s morbid and sadistic personality.<br />
On the other hand, Vlad never ruled Transylvania, ruling instead the neighboring principality of Wallachia. Though Vlad was born in Transylvania, arguably making it his “native soil”. The historical Vlad was Romanian, an ethnic Vlach descended from the ancient Dacians who inhabited the Balkans in Roman times. Stoker’s Count is Hungarian, an Ethnic Székely who proudly boasts direct descent from Attila the Hun. The most likely explanation is that Stoker mixed and matched various aspects of Eastern European history and folklore, prioritizing dramatic effect over historical accuracy.</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Gabriel&diff=29211Gabriel2016-04-16T22:39:37Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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[[Image:GabrielYoung.PNG|thumb|360px|Gabriel In His Youth On Avalon]]<br />
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'''Gabriel''' is a member of the [[Avalon Clan]]{{CIT|, and also the leader of the [[clan]]}}. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=2544]<br />
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==History==<br />
Gabriel's [[egg]] was laid in the [[Wyvern Clan]] [[rookery]] in [[988]] and was due to hatch in [[998]]. Due to the [[Wyvern Massacre]] however, [[Princess Katharine]], the [[Magus]], and [[Tom]] were forced to take all the rookery eggs away in [[Timeline#994|994]]. The next year, on September 28th [[995]], they took the eggs to [[Avalon]]. ''([[Avalon Part One|"Avalon" Part One]])'' Because of the difference in the flow of time there, Gabriel did not hatch until [[1058]]. <br />
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Princess Katharine, the Magus and Tom raised the [["Eggs"]] as their children and Gabriel grew up on Avalon, with his rookery brothers and sisters, in peace and isolation from the world. {{CIT|Eventually, he emerged as the natural leader of the Clan.}} [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=7302] {{CIT|He chose [[Angela]], his sister and close friend, to be his second-in-command.}} [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=5467] {{CIT|By [[Timeline#1995|1995]], he had become romantically involved with [[Ophelia]].}} [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=98][http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=2297]<br />
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When the [[Archmage]] attacked Avalon in 1995, Gabriel boldly took part in the defense of the island against him and his allies (including his rookery mother [[Demona]]). ''("Avalon" Parts [[Avalon Part Two|Two]] and [[Avalon Part Three|Three]])'' When [[Oberon]] returned to Avalon in [[Timeline#1996|1996]], he chose Gabriel along with [[Goliath]] and [[Angela]] to fight him for the right to live on the island. Ultimately, the [[gargoyles]] were defeated, but after Tom subdued Oberon but refused to kill him, Gabriel and his clan were granted their request to stay on the Island and became Avalon's Honor Guards. ''([[Ill Met By Moonlight|"Ill Met By Moonlight"]])''<br />
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{{CIT|After Angela left the Clan, Gabriel appointed his mate, Ophelia, to be his new second-in-command.}} [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=2292] He is still living on Avalon with the other gargoyles there.<br />
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{{CIT|As less then a decade will have passed on Avalon between 1996 and [[Timeline#2198_And_Beyond|2198]], it seems likely that Gabriel will still be the clan leader at that time. If so, he will be among the gargoyle leaders present at [[Queen Florence Island]] when the [[Space-Spawn]] attack and will be placed in stasis by them. [[Greg Weisman]] has said it is probable that Gabriel will appear in the ''[[Gargoyles: 2198]]'' [[:Category:Spin-Offs|spin-off]], which reinforces this idea.}} [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=1681]<br />
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==Characteristics==<br />
Gabriel's biological parents are [[Othello]] and [[Desdemona]], though this matters to no one (except perhaps Angela). Gabriel is a strong gargoyle possessing traits from both his biological parents. From his mother he inherited his hair coloring, and from his father he inherited his skin coloring and ear shape. His wings and horns seem to be amalgams of both his parents' features. He also has interesting brow ridges, two small horns on his chin, and two spikes on the end of his tail none of which his parents have (though Othello has a club on the end of his tail). It has been theorized that these traits come from a biological grandparent.<br />
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==Appearances==<br />
* [[Avalon Part One|"Avalon" Part One]] (First Appearance, No Lines)<br />
* [[Avalon Part Two|"Avalon" Part Two]]<br />
* [[Avalon Part Three|"Avalon" Part Three]]<br />
* [[Ill Met By Moonlight|"Ill Met By Moonlight"]]<br />
* [[The Gathering Part One|"The Gathering" Part One]] (Mentioned Only)<br />
* [[Reunion|"Reunion"]] (No Lines)<br />
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==Real World Background==<br />
Gabriel was named after the [[Angel|Archangel]] Gabriel, one of the four great Archangels of Abrahamic lore (the other three being Michael, Raphael, and Uriel). In the Bible, Gabriel was the messenger from Heaven who informed the Virgin Mary that she would give birth to Jesus. ''(Luke 1: 26-38)'' Accroding to Islamic belief, Gabriel is the angel who dictated the Qur'an to the prophet Mohammad. He also appears in Milton's epic poem ''Paradise Lost'', where he is the captain of the angels serving as guardians to the Garden of Eden (an appropriate role, in light of the Gabriel of ''[[Gargoyles (TV series)|Gargoyles]]'' and his clan similarly serving as guardians to the paradisaical isle of Avalon). [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=4819]<br />
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==Production Background==<br />
'''Voice Actor:''' [[Rubin Santiago Hudson]]<br />
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<div>As the article states, Dracula and vampires have been mentioned in the series so why is this article canon-in-training? [[Shakespeare]] isn't CiT and they are both real world characters mentioned but not seen in the show. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 15:06, 13 December 2008 (CST)<br />
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:Yeah, but Shakespeare was mentioned as an historical figure. Dracula was mentioned as a pop culture reference with no suggestion that he was real. In fact, one of the two times he was mentioned it was actually a reference to "Dracula's daughter". I figure an article on vampires probably wouldn't be canon-in-training, though. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 18:56, 13 December 2008 (CST)<br />
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==Real World History 'Upgrade'==<br />
So, I've been looking over this article for the first time in a couple of years and I can't help but think the "Real World History" section in particular is heavily slanted towards Vlad the Impaler with only the bottom two paragraphs addressing Bram Stoker's Dracula. Given that more recent scholarship suggests the connection between Stoker's fictional Transylvanian vampire and the historical Wallachian warlord has been greatly exaggerated, would anyone object to me re-hauling the article to be more novel-centric? [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] 14:20, 14 July 2015 (PDT)<br />
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:I don't know about any potential dismissal on the Vlad the Impaler info (given that we remain unaware on which direction GregW will ultimately take with the character), but any additional information regarding Stroker's original novel can only be a benefit to the page :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:06, 14 July 2015 (PDT)<br />
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:: Indeed, I guess what I'm asking is do we want this to be an article about the vampire who may or may not be Vlad the Impaler, or Vlad the Impaler who may or may not be a vampire? [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] 13:31, 15 July 2015 (PDT)</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Dracula&diff=28389Talk:Dracula2015-07-14T21:24:38Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>So, I've been looking over this article for the first time in a couple of years and I can't help but think the "Real World History" section in particular is heavily slanted towards Vlad the Impaler with only the bottom two paragraphs addressing Bram Stoker's Dracula. Given that more recent scholarship suggests the connection between Stoker's fictional Transylvanian vampire and the historical Wallachian warlord has been greatly exaggerated, would anyone object to me re-hauling the article to be more novel-centric? [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] 14:20, 14 July 2015 (PDT)<br />
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As the article states, Dracula and vampires have been mentioned in the series so why is this article canon-in-training? [[Shakespeare]] isn't CiT and they are both real world characters mentioned but not seen in the show. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 15:06, 13 December 2008 (CST)<br />
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:Yeah, but Shakespeare was mentioned as an historical figure. Dracula was mentioned as a pop culture reference with no suggestion that he was real. In fact, one of the two times he was mentioned it was actually a reference to "Dracula's daughter". I figure an article on vampires probably wouldn't be canon-in-training, though. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 18:56, 13 December 2008 (CST)</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Dracula&diff=28388Talk:Dracula2015-07-14T21:20:28Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>So, I've been looking over this articleal for the first time in a couple of years and I can't help but think the "Real World History" section in particular is heavily slanted towards Vlad the Impaler with only the bottom two paragraphs addressing Bram Stoker's Dracula. Given that more recent scholarship suggests the connection between Stoker's fictional Transylvanian vampire and the historical Wallachian warlord has been greatly exaggerated, would anyone object to me re-hauling the article to be more novel-centric? [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] 14:20, 14 July 2015 (PDT)<br />
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As the article states, Dracula and vampires have been mentioned in the series so why is this article canon-in-training? [[Shakespeare]] isn't CiT and they are both real world characters mentioned but not seen in the show. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 15:06, 13 December 2008 (CST)<br />
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:Yeah, but Shakespeare was mentioned as an historical figure. Dracula was mentioned as a pop culture reference with no suggestion that he was real. In fact, one of the two times he was mentioned it was actually a reference to "Dracula's daughter". I figure an article on vampires probably wouldn't be canon-in-training, though. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 18:56, 13 December 2008 (CST)</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Religious_Studies_101:_A_Handful_of_Thorns&diff=25693Talk:Religious Studies 101: A Handful of Thorns2012-09-01T00:33:27Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>Should we give the Longinus Spear and the Crown of Thorns CiT entries? --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 22:52, 25 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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:Was the canonicity of this story discussed at all at the Gathering? I'm just wondering if making articles based on it would be like making articles for Thomeheb and Brigadoon. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 07:39, 31 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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::The canonicity of the Radio Play was discussed and Greg said it was not canon at all. He did say he MIGHT use the Spear and Crown down the road, but frankly, he has also said he would get to everything eventually. So without an Ask Greg reference, I'm not sure what the point of making these pages would be. What would they say? They couldn't refer to a non-canon radio play for information afterall. I guess they just barely qualify as CIT in my mind. I dunno. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 09:24, 31 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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:::I think that Matt's right - though I'd have enjoyed writing a "Real-world Background" article for the Spear of Longinus. --merlyn<br />
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::::Well, that's the funny thing; if we did make an article for the spear or crown all we ''could'' put in the article would be a section of Real World Background and I guess a reference to the non-canon radio play. And that doesn't really merit a page in my book. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 21:18, 31 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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:::::Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, we do have categories for Little Anton and LaVonne and E--- P-- and "The Flashback of Notre Dame" and ''The Spectacular Spider-Man,'' so where exactly is the dividing line between what is appropriate non-canon or out of universe material to cover and what is not? So far we have articles on some apocryphal characters from some apocryphal stories. Being written by Greg, I don't think this particular radio play script is any more apocryphal than a Disney Adventures comic or a Marvel ''Gargoyles'' comic or an episode of TGC. I'm not entirely convinced that these artifacts should have their own articles, but I think we should use this as an opportunity to think about our policies for what should and should not be in the wiki so that everyone is clear on them. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 08:08, 1 September 2009 (CDT)<br />
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::::::I have a compromise for this. We can have sections in THIS entry for the Spear of Destiny and the Crown of Thorns. Just make them subsections of the [[Religious Studies 101: A Handful of Thorns]] entry. --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 10:26, 1 September 2009 (CDT)<br />
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==Script Posting==<br />
Can we put the script for this episode onto the site, like those for the Radio Play versions of "Hunter's Moon Part Three" and "The Reckoning"? I'd like to read it (especially with a cast this wide). -- merlyn<br />
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:I'll start posting the play at ASK GREG later this week.--[[User:Gweisman|Gweisman]] 02:28, 31 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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:Thanks, Greg! I'm looking forward to it. (Still figuring out how to enter these "talk" posts.) -- merlyn<br />
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==Picture==<br />
Would anyone mind if I posted this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/gregx/SpearofDestiny.jpg on the page? I know we normally don't use fanart. But, it's a pretty accurate depiction of the scene (and what Demona said she was going to do to Elisa), and it was drawn by Karine, who is officially connected to the property via her comic book work? -- [[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 21:01, 19 October 2011 (PDT)<br />
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:It is a cool picture. I don't have a problem with it being posted as long as it is made very clear in the caption that it is fan art and not canon. Frankly, I don't much have a problem with any fan art as long as it is identified as such and generally found on non-canon pages. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 06:19, 20 October 2011 (PDT)<br />
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::Just for the sake of comparison, I can only think of the sketch of Demona that Vashkoda colored in that's currently included on the page for [[The Last]]. Like Matt was suggesting, the sketch is in a non-canon article (really its CIT, but still not actual Canon) and it has a rather descriptive caption saying that its not official. So with with a similar train of thought, I'm ok with Karine's pic as well :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 08:19, 20 October 2011 (PDT)<br />
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==Character Entries==<br />
So, since characters from apocrypha have character entries, would you object to giving the Spectacular Spider-Man cast their own character entries on GargWiki. Obviously we'd limit it to characters who appeared in the Radio Play. For example, Sandman and Rhino who don't appear and aren't even mentioned woudn't get them, and we'd keep the History on each page to the events and role they played in the Radio Play. The Transformers, for example, once had a non-canon crossover with the Avengers (non-canon for both universes), and the tfwiki still gave those characters wiki entries. For example: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Doctor_Doom so, thoughts? --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 07:59, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:I would strongly object to characters from another universe getting their own entries here. If you want to mention them specifically, do it on the Spectacular Spider-Man page and/or modify them on the Spec. Spider-Man wiki. Handful of Thorns is great and bears mentioning (and its own page) for various reasons (Gargoyles crossover written by Greg, presented at the Gathering and performed by numerous Gargoyles voice talent) but it obviously isn't canon and in that regard doesn't warrant what you are suggesting. If you want to mention, say, Demona's actions in the work in the Apocryphal part of her entry, I see no problem with that. And if, as I mentioned, you want to modify the Spec. Spider-Man page, that seems fine too. But giving non-canon, non-universe characters their own pages here just doesn't make any sense to me. --[[User:Matt|Matt]] 10:27, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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::So, should we start deleting Gong Li, Dr. Nexus, etc? They're non-canon and non-universe. I know we're not the TFWiki, but I was looking at that as a model for this. The Marvel characters are clearly not canon in that universe either. Not trying to be snide at all, just wondering where the line is? What's the cut off? I mean, I strongly object to Dr. Nexus and Egon Pax being here on a personal level, but at the same time I understand why they're here and I would never advocate to have them removed. So, where should the line be? --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 10:45, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:::I can see both ends of this argument, and both points are kinda valid. Perhaps this should be decided by a vote? [[User:Griffinwyrm7|Griffinwyrm7]] 10:53, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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::::I'm cool with that. Since the Radio Play exists, I think it's universe can count as Apocrypha now. And since I'd place Greg's Apocrypha higher than Disney's Apocrypha, I vote yea. --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 10:56, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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Gong Li, Dr. Nexus and Egon Pax are not canon, but they are directly connected to the Gargoyles Universe. They are not part of the canon universe, but they are published and released under the Gargoyles banner. Handful of Thorns, is not a published work. It is a fanfic crossover that happens to be written Greg. And while this makes it more worthwhile than the TGC or the Marvel comics, it doesn't make it canon, even Greg has said that. For me, this wiki is about canon and canon-in-training primarily. I would have no problem with Egon Pax's page being deleted, but I can also understand why some people feel like it should exist here. And I can see why it has more of a right to exist here than Vulture or Electro or whomever. It seems to me this is going back to the old GargWiki vs. GregWiki argument. And I'm not sure what relevance these character pages could have that couldn't be placed on the Handful of Thorns and Spec. Spider-Man pages. If you want a vote, that's fine. I think my vote is obvious. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 12:11, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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This idea isn't too disimiliar to your idea above about the Crown and Spear having their own pages except that, unlike the Crown and Spear, the Spider-Man characters have NO CHANCE of ever showing up in Gargoyles. But even with the Crown and Spear yoou decided to simply give them space on this page and that was, I think, the right way to go. I think if you want to do Spec. Spider-Man character bios, they should be here or on the Spec Spider-Man page. Besides, they already directly link to pages on other wikis that are far more informative than we could be here. If people are interested in those characters, they can follow the links there and the editors there can reference Handful of Thorns if they wish. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 12:37, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:Just a discussion, we'll see how this vote goes. And while I would agree that TFWiki is not the model we want to follow here (even though I think both wikis rock at what they set out to do), the idea intrigued me. And, like Chip, I see both sides and I definitely understand your point. Is there a Spec Spidey wikia? I know the wikipedia page we link to for these characters are very bare bones. Hmm. -[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 13:38, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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::The more I think about, the more I think that condensing all this apocryphal stuff to their "home pages" would be good. So Egon Pax wouldn't have his own article, but he'd have a section on the TGC page, the Medusa Device would not have its own page, but would have a section on the Marvel comics page and characters like Electro would not have their own page, but would have a section on the Spec. Spider-Man page. And I'd love to get rid of all the not-to-funny TGC "reviews". Just would be nice to streamline this site and focus on the canon. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 14:41, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:::While my preference is for us to be as all-encompassing as possible, all my biases would love to toss out the TGC stuff, I do wonder if we should really go this route. This is me, for once, trying not to think of my own desires but what would objectively be best for the GargWiki as a whole. --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 14:50, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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::::Okay... so doing your best to set aside your personal desires and dislikes, how do you think giving Vulture or Electro a page on this site would make the GargWiki better? What could those pages add to the site that couldn't just be added to the existing pages? --[[User:Matt|Matt]] 14:58, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:::::I guess, for me, since it's part of Apocrypha introduced by Greg, and yes NOT canon, it would fall into the goal of being all encompassing. If it's very clearly labeled as apocrypha, I don't see the harm. Maybe there's always that outside chance of someone googling the Green Goblin and coming up on his entry and then checking out the rest of the site and becoming interested enough to buy a DVD. Unlikely, but there is always an outside chance. --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 15:03, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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::::::And if we do this, I also wouldn't be opposed to giving Milo Thatch, Joshua Sweet, Mole, etc from [[Team Atlantis]] their own entries, as long as we mostly limit it to [[The Last]]. --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 15:08, 31 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:::::::Personally, I think [[Team Atlantis]] characters are a special case as Greg W. has specifically said that [[The Last]] is [[Canon in Training]]. On the other hand, he's repeatedly clarified that the radio play is in no way canon. So I think Milo has as much right to a character page as [[Nick Maza]] or [[Queen Mab]]. At the same time, I don't think Spidey or the Green Goblin should be treated any differently to [[Venus]], [[Egon Pax]] or any other apocryphal character. Personally, I would not object to giving Doctor Octopus a page nor would I shed any tears over deleting Dr. Phobos' page. My main concern is that we apply whatever rules we decide on consistently.</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Young_Justice&diff=25566Young Justice2012-05-04T20:38:18Z<p>Algernon: Added a link to Godfrey's page on the YJ wiki.</p>
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'''''Young Justice''''' is an animated series based on DC comics’ various “sidekick” heroes. The series follows the adventures of Robin, Aqualad, Kid Flash, Superboy, Miss Martian and Artemis, all of whom have been recruited by Batman to act as the Justice League’s covert-ops team. The series was developed and is produced by Brandon Vietti and [[Greg Weisman]].<br />
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The series is not an exclusive adaptation of the DC comic title of the same name but rather draws from all across over seventy years of DC canon, particularly the original Teen Titans, the Justice League of America as well as the original Young Justice comic series.<br />
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The series premiered on the 26th of November 2010 with a one hour movie.<br />
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==Cast Members==<br />
The following ''Gargoyles'' cast members will appear in ''Young Justice''. They are listed in alphabetical order.<br />
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* [[Thom Adcox]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Klarion Klarion the Witch Boy]<br />
* [[Ed Asner]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Kent_Nelson Kent Nelson]<br />
* [[Jeff Bennett]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Tornado Red Tornado], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/T.O._Morrow_(android) T.O. Morrow], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Abra_Kadabra Abra Kadabra], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Alfred_Pennyworth Alfred Pennyworth], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Vulko Vulko], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Torpedo Red Torpedo], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Volcano Red Volcano], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Wade_Eiling Wade Eiling], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Bard Jason Bard]<br />
* [[Clancy Brown]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/King_Faraday King Faraday]<br />
* [[Lacey Chabert]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Zatanna Zatanna]<br />
* [[Tim Curry]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/G._Gordon_Godfrey G. Gordon Godfrey]<br />
* [[Bill Fagerbakke]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Bear Bear]<br />
* [[Marina Sirtis]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_Bee Queen Bee], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Sandra_Stanyon Sandra Stanyon/Mrs. Wheeler]<br />
* [[Kath Soucie]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_Mera Queen Mera], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Lori_Lemaris Lori Lemaris], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Joan_Garrick Joan Garrick]<br />
* [[Brent Spiner]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Joker Joker]<br />
* [[Cree Summer]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Madame_Xanadu Madame Xanadu], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Tula Tula], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Mary_West Mary West], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Mattie_Harcourt Mattie Harcount]<br />
* [[Greg Weisman]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Snapper_Carr Lucas Carr]<br />
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Both ''Gargoyles'' and ''Young Justice'' were voice directed by [[Jamie Thomason]].<br />
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==Comic book tie in==<br />
In January 2011, the first issue of a monthly spin-off comic, in continuity to the series, was released. #0 was written by Greg Weisman and Kevin Hopps. #1-6 was written by Art Baltazar & Franco Aureliani. The art for #1-4 was provided by Mike Norton. Art, Franco and Mike also produced a ''YJ'' story for ''Young Justice/Batman: The Brave and The Bold Super Sampler'' which was released for Free Comic Book Day of May 7, 2011.<br />
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[[Christopher Jones]] did the art for #5 and became the book's regular artist from then on.[http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1062].<br />
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Greg Weisman and Kevin Hopps returned to writing for the comic full time as of #7, while having advised Art, Franco and Mike in terms of keeping #1-6 consistent with the continuity.[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=873]<br />
===Collected Material===<br />
*Young Justice Volume 1: (Reprints #0-6) January 11, 2012[http://www.toonzone.net/comics/solicitations/2011-12/dc/dc-kids/]<br />
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==References to ''Gargoyles'' in ''Young Justice''==<br />
[[Image:YJEdmund.PNG|thumb|320px|Snapper Carr on Halloween as... Edmund Tsabard?!]]<br />
[[Image:HealedButNotWhole.PNG|thumb|320px|Goliath and Ra's al Ghul are healed but not whole.]]<br />
* In the episode "[http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Revelation Revelation]", Wotan shouts "fulminos venite!" before firing a bolt of lightning. This was a favorite incantation of the [[Archmage]] as well as Mysterio's in ''[[The Spectacular Spider-Man]]''.<br />
* Also in the episode "Revelation", when The Team is listing what Kobra-Venom has done, Superboy adds "And upgrade Wolf", referring to his pet in the context of the show, but may possibly be a reference to [[Wolf]] and what happens to him in the episode "[[Upgrade]]".<br />
* In the episode "[http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Humanity Humanity]", Red Tornado says that he is not sure if the Team's words are accurate, but they may be true. This is reminiscent of [[King Arthur Pendragon]]'s line "all things are true... few things are accurate" in "[[Rock and Roll|Rock & Roll]]".<br />
* One of Zatanna's spells ("Erif nrub, nordluac elbbub") translates into "Fire burn, cauldron bubble", which is a quote from William Shakespeare ''Macbeth'' (Act Four, Scene One). This line was also used in the recreated scene of the play in the episode "[[City of Stone Part Three]]".<br />
* In the episode "[http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Misplaced Misplaced]," Klarion says "team work is so overrated." [[Thailog]] said the same thing in "[[Sanctuary]]."<br />
* In [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Young_Justice_Issue_2 issue #2], when Superboy breaks free from the illusion, he shouts, "None of this is real". This mirrors [[Goliath]]'s scream "None of you are real" when he breaks free from his hallucinations in "[[Shadows of the Past]]".<br />
* In [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Young_Justice_Issue_15 issue #15], when Miss Martian tries to take Ocean-Master's trident with telekinesis, he asks "What sorcery is this?". [[Goliath]] said the same thing when he saw his clan in [[stone sleep]] during the day, in "[[Awakening Part Two]]".<br />
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==See also==<br />
[[Image:FlamingC.JPG|thumb|320px|The Flaming C. Sure he's canon, he's just always standing right off camera.]]<br />
* {{wikipedia|Young_Justice_(TV_series)|Young Justice (TV series)}}<br />
* '''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1641384/ Young Justice]''' at the Internet Movie Database<br />
* '''[http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Young_Justice_Wiki Young Justice Wiki]''' at Wikia<br />
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===Episode Credits===<br />
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'''Season One'''<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=876 "Independence Day" Pilot Movie]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=877 "Independence Day"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=880 "Fireworks"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=882 "Welcome to Happy Harbor"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=883 "Drop-Zone"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=884 "Schooled"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=885 "Infiltrator"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=886 "Denial"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=888 "Downtime"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=890 "Bereft"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=905 "Targets"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=907 "Terrors"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=908 "Homefront"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=910 "Alpha Male"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=911 "Revelation"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=912 "Humanity"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=914 "Failsafe"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=915 "Disordered"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=916 "Secrets"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=928 "Misplaced"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=930 "Coldhearted"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=933 "Image"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=935 "Agendas"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=938 "Insecurity"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=940 "Performance"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=942 "Usual Suspects"]<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=948 "Auld Acquaintance"]<br />
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'''Season Two'''<br />
* [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=950 "Happy New Year"]<br />
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[[Category:Out-of-universe]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=GargWiki_talk:Community_Portal&diff=25047GargWiki talk:Community Portal2012-01-19T20:04:09Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>Since someone suggested it earlier, I decided to go ahead and open up the community portal for general discussions/suggestions for the whole of GargWiki. Enjoy! --[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 17:33, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay! Thank you Moeen. Now I have a place to make a suggestion: Does the side and border of the website have to be bright white? I like the dark blue of the rest of the site, it is easier on the eyes, but the white is hard on the eyes. Maybe it could be some other color, such as light blue? I know this is minor but little aesthetic things impact a website's overall viewing experience. -- [[User:Vaevictis Asmadi|Vaevictis Asmadi]] 23:06, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:You're welcome. :-) As for the background, I think in order to change it you have to edit the default skin used by the wiki, which is not something I know how to do, but I'm sure it can be done. Speaking of knowing how to do things, the link to [[:Help:Contents|Help]] on the sidebar links to a page that doesn't even exist! It would be nice if you could actually get help from the help page. Maybe some of the people running this place can put something there? Surely there's a MediaWiki manual for this site? Also, we could put up some general guidelines for writing articles on the GargWiki in the help section or on a related page. --[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 12:20, 8 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Yes! A very good idea. And filling out the Help page would also be good. -- [[User:Vaevictis Asmadi|Vaevictis Asmadi]] 10:49, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Italics==<br />
Got another question. I've gone through the wiki and italicized all capitalized references to ''Gargoyles'' the television show and ''Gargoyles'' the property. Should references to Gargoyles the comic book also be italicized? Right now the wiki is inconsistent, but I have seen ''Gargoyles: Bad Guys'' italicized. -- [[User:Vaevictis Asmadi|Vaevictis Asmadi]] 23:21, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Just my opinion, but I do think the title of both the television series and the comic book series (as opposed to the titles of episodes/issues) should be consistently italicized - gdw<br />
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:I've been using Wikipedia conventions (which I always fall back on in cases of confusion), which basically say television series, plays, films, comic book series, etc are all italicized. Episode titles are not italicized, but they are put in inverted commas "". On GargWiki we tend to use both italics and quotation marks for episode citations, but I think that's a special case. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 10:32, 8 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::So I went through and changed all the ones I could find. But here's a question. We're italicizing the names of episodes and comic issues in this Wiki. Should we also italicize the parenthises? The current state seems slightly inconsistent. My personal preference is to leave the parenthises non-italicized, but my main interest is to standardize the formatting throughout the Wiki. What format should we set? We could do it like this: ''("[[Monsters]]")'' or like this: (''"[[Monsters]]"''). -- [[User:Vaevictis Asmadi|Vaevictis Asmadi]] 14:29, 13 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Are we italicizing the episodes and comic issues? I'm not sure that's consistent on the wiki either. But my opinion of it is that it is the citation that is italicized, not the episode. So I prefer italicizing the parenthises too, but that's just my preference. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 17:19, 13 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Creating new pages==<br />
OK, I'm still a bit new to wiki-ing, so I'm not familiar with all the procedure. I'd like to add a new page for the Disney Adventures comic "A Study In Stone" (which would be counted in Apocrypha, of course, but I don't knw how to make a new page, or even if I can, not being a mod. Help? -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 14 September 2007<br />
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:You absolutely can! Anyone can create a page, and you can do it in one of two ways.<br />
:'''The first way:''' if you edit a page to include a link to your required article (in this case by adding the text <nowiki>[[A Study In Stone]]</nowiki>) it will produce a red (broken) link. Note that, when you edit a page to make a link like this, you can just use the preview button and you don't even need a to save. Next, you click on the red link (as if it was a non-broken, regular link), and it will take you to that page's "edit page". From there you can edit the page as if it already existed, and when you save it'll be right there.<br />
:'''The second way:''' you type in the title you want in the search bar to the left of the screen and push "Go". It will tell you that "No page with <font color="red">this exact title</font> exists". If you click on the red link on the words "this exact title", it will send you to the edit page of the page you want.<br />
:If you want to practice first, try creating your own user page by clicking on the link to [[User:Demonskrye]]. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 09:15, 14 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Much thanks! The article for [[A Study in Stone]] is now up and viewable in the [[:Category:Apocrypha|Aprocrypha category]]. We can move it into one of the sub-categories, but until "Apocrypha Epsiodes" becomes something like "Apocrypha Storylines", I don't think there's an appropriate one for it. Also, I'd suggest that we put the info for making a new page into the now empty "Help" section.<br />
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A similar question. I've now done a couple of articles for the Disney Adventures comics, so I think we could use a "Disney Adevntures" subcategory in [[:Category:Apocrypha]]. I checked over on MediaWiki, but I'm still confused about how a subcategory is made. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 17 September 2007<br />
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:Those pages look pretty good. Creating a category is just like creating a page, except that you need to include the "Category:" prefix (note the colon). So either add the category to a page and use the red link, or type "Category:Whatever" into the search bar and hit "go", then proceed as before. For a subcategory, you just need to categorize the category. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 16:33, 17 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Help==<br />
Since there's nothing in the help section, at some point I'll copy the help pages from MediaWiki here. In the meantime, you can find all the help you need [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents here]. --[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 12:03, 15 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Google rankings==<br />
On 19 September 2007 (about 7 pm GMT), a search for 'Gargoyles' on Google turns up GargWiki at number 92 (the Gargoyles page on Wikiquote is 93). 'Gargoyles+Disney' is even worse at 132, and even then the link is to Category:Apocrypha (there's another link to the Episode Guide at 145). 'Gargoyles+TV' has a link to Grimorum at 18, but GargWiki doesn't appear until 75 (Talk:Main Page).<br />
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Obviously, this is not a great situation to be in. Wikia has a few suggestions to improve the rankings [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Toughpigs/10_steps_to_raise_your_wiki%27s_Google_ranking here]. Section 2 is particularly interesting. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 13:24, 19 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:So perhaps our rankings would be better if the name of the main page was something like "GargWiki - The Disney's Gargoyles Wiki" rather than the way we have it now, which Google may not get? [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 19 September 2007<br />
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::I don't feel that Google rankings are as important as other might think, and our priority should be to improve the content here as best we can. But regardless, whatever you do '''''don't spam or vandalize other sites with links to GargWiki'''''. It is precisely [http://gargoyles.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/G._Bishansky this] kind of behavior (see [http://gargoyles.wikia.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=2669 here] for a more specific example) that got us blocked from Wikipedia, and probably other sites as well. If that happens, we'll be down even ''lower'' than we are now with the rankings. So please keep that in mind. --[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 15:25, 19 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::That's true. I didn't think of that. Yeah, I never meant to even imply that spamming other sites was in any way a good thing. Cos it's not. Seriously.<br />
:::But changing the name of the Main Page might not be a bad idea, as long as we can do it without causing too much disruption. "GargWiki - The Gargoyles Wiki" is probably enough, or just "Gargoyles Wiki" as inour logo. But it might make the page look odd. I notice that the Main Pages on Wikipedia and Wikia sites don't have titles, as other pages do. Is there some way we could do that here? If not... maybe it's not worth it. I don't know. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 16:12, 19 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Community Portal upgrade==<br />
I'm thinking of moving this page to [[GargWiki talk:Community Portal]], and turning [[GargWiki:Community Portal]] into an actual project page. I mean a proper "Welcome to the Community Portal, and here's what we got going on" sort of project page. We could have links to all the ongoing discussions throughout the wiki, which would be useful, and I'm also thinking of having a "Requested pages" section, where users can (basically) request a page. Thoughts? Comments? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 12:54, 8 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Sounds like a good idea. This site really does need a page introducing new users or potential users to how things work around here. Plus we really need some guidelines, and given that there doesn't seem to exist any anywhere on this site, this would be good place to set some up.--[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 14:43, 11 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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::[[GargWiki:Policy]] has some behavioural guidelines, if that's what you mean. Is that what you meant? But anyway, since this could be a complicated reorganisation I'll start writing up a draft of the new page before I start doing anything. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 10:28, 12 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::I've written up a page - not quite everything I had originally intended, but it's a good start and we can always expand it later. I'll make the switch-over now. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 09:12, 1 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::Done. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 09:20, 1 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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==A history lesson==<br />
Does anyone here know how GargWiki came to be made? When was it started, and who by, and what prompted its creation? I'm just asking because it would be nice to get a little background (not necessarily a lot) to flesh out the page [[GargWiki:About]]. I know that it must have been created on or shortly before 26 July 2006, because that's the first edit I can find and it's also when [[User:Jeb]], [[User:Greg Bishansky]] and [[User:Trio]] were made administrators. If anyone does know, feel free to answer either here or at [[GargWiki talk:About]]... or just add the information to the page. Thanks in advance. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 10:38, 12 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Upgrading the Wiki ==<br />
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Looking into Matt's suggestion for an Appearances section, I've noticed that this wiki lacks some of the functionality of other wikis because it's out of date. In particular, the version of MediaWiki used here is 1.5.1, whereas the latest version is 1.11.0. Granted we usually don't use the full functionality of the wiki, but it's still useful to stay up to date. Not being a system admin, I can't update the wiki myself, but it would be nice if whoever is the system admin is would do so.<br />
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As far as using Wikipedia's referencing system, to install it follow the installation instructions [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php#Installation here]. It's only two steps, but requires accessing the system, something I can't do, but a system admin would be able to do.<br />
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P.S. Happy New Years to everyone! --[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 03:00, 1 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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:I commented on this at [[Talk:Appearences Section]], but I'll repeat myself here: you can search for admins by using [[Special:Listusers]], but the ones that are most likely to be able to help you are Greg B, Matt, or Jeb.<br />
:Happy New Year to you too. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 15:34, 5 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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Sounds like you guys know more about the Wikipedia software than I do. You'll have to talk to Jeb or Greg B. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 15:36, 5 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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:Alright, thanks. I'll inform Jeb and Greg B. on their talk pages and see it they can do something about it.--[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 15:44, 5 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== Speculation ==<br />
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Poking around the wiki, I think that there are a few too many places where personal speculation makes its way into the articles. Now there's speculation that I think is OK and speculation that I think doesn't belong here. Speculation that I think is OK is speculation that's based on established real world or Gargoyles universe fact. For example, since we know that gargoyle children generally receive physical characteristics from both parents, often favoring the appearance of the same gender parent and the coloration of the opposite gender parent, it would be fair to speculated that children of know gargoyle couples will probably resemble both of their parents, possibly even in that pattern. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Artus will definitely look like a lavender Broadway, but the suggestion that he might have some of Broadway's physical features and Angela's coloring would be OK. If we didn't know that Elisa was going to be dead by 2198, I would consider it fair to say that she probably would be, given that she would be 230 years old by that time, which is well beyond human life expectancy as we currently know it. Short of major scientific breakthroughs or magical intervention, it would be safe to say that Elisa would probably not be around in roughly two centuries. I think Greg Weisman speculation is also fair game. greg has suggested, but never outright confirmed, that Zafiro and the gargoyle beasts may both have vestigial limbs, Zafiro due to appearing to be four limbed and the beasts as an evolutionary leftover from their common ancestor with gargoyles. I feel no problem with putting that in as canon-in-training as a possibility rather than a certainty until we either have Greg say it's not so (leading to it being deleted) or see someone take x-rays a Zafiro and/or the beasts (leading to it becoming canon). What I'm not OK with is speculation that is based more on guesses or predictions of character's behavior. I took a section out of Zafiro's article that suggested that his hair coloration and facial features could be presumed to be fairly common among the Mayan clan. We don't have any way of knowing that. We apparently know from Greg as canon-in-training that Zafiro's snake-like body structure is very common, despite the fact that he is the only current member of the clan to have it. But for all we know, he could be the only gargoyle in the Mayan clan with white hair and a serpentine face. Similarly, I think there's too much assumption about future hatchlings and their knowledge of their biological parentage. It is OK to assume that Nashville will have a closer relationship with Brooklyn and Katana for a while at least because they will be the only adult gargoyles he spends the majority of his time with. But once Brooklyn and family return to Manhattan, who knows? He may become particularly close to Angela or Broadway or Lex as well. And we have no evidence that Brooklyn and Katana will teach him to put importance on biological parentage. Yes, when he starts asking questions, he'll probably either be aware that Brook and Katana are his biological parents. But if they place no importance on that, if they tell him "We are two of your parents and we love you, but you have other parents and other family out there and some day you will get to see them and they will be just as much your family", it won't matter so much to him that the rest of the clan isn't related to him by blood. Same deal with Angela. It's more tempting to assume that she'll put more emphasis on biology because she is so interested in her own parentage. But things could change. When Nashville arrives and she actually sees the rest of the clan start to parent him, she may start to feel differently about what communal parenting really means. I think it's highly likely that she might tell her kids that she's their biological mother before they necessarily ask (though it's still not something I would assume). But I just don't think we can assume how she'll be raising kids who have yet to be conceived.<br />
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Thoughts? -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 10:47, 7 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== Apocrypha ==<br />
At the head of any CIT article is a banner making it clear that's all it is. Shouldn't we have something similar for Apocrypha. To be clear, I think it's 100% appropriate for there to be articles here on, say, Dr. Phobos or Judge Bates, but shouldn't we have a (red?) flag of some kind at the top? -- gdw<br />
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:This problem has been raised at [[Talk:Angels in the Night]]. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 05:26, 4 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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::I'm glad this has come up again since the recent appearances of many of these apocrypha pages has beenn irking me. I like the idea a lot of a red flag banner at the top of such pages. I want this site to be about all things Gargoyles, including the non-canon stuff, but I think there needs to be a well seen line between the canon and the not canon, and that line is nearly invisible on pages like [[Dr. Phobos]] and [[Judge Bates]]. Frankly, I don't even like the apocyrpha sections on pages like [[Brooklyn]]. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 08:59, 4 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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:::If you do this, I think you should only provide the banners for in-universe apocryphal articles, and not the out-of-universe articles (issues, episodes, the video-game, etc.). -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 04:59, 7 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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::::Actually, [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]], I was thinking this was something you'd be better at then myself. I have no idea how to create a banner. And I think we would all trust your skills and judgement. I don't mean to seem like I'm assigning you this though, but if you want to do it at some point, that'd be cool. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 07:45, 7 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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:::::To be honest, this is way down at the bottom of "things I plan to do". Way down. Since I'm not entirely settled on the idea anyway, I probably won't get round to it for a long while.<br />
:::::But making a banner isn't so hard. Have a look at the source code at [[Template:CIT article]], then just change the details a bit. You don't need to know what it all does (I don't), but you can figure out enough to get by. The text is easy to change, but you can also change the background (as long as you know the hex code of the colour you want) and other things. Then it's just a matter of tweaking until it looks the way you want it to. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 12:04, 7 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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::::::I've created a [[Template:Apocrypha article]] and implemented it on some TGC character pages. It's not quite a banner, but let me know what you think. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 06:49, 26 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I love it. Great job man! -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 08:02, 26 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I'm a little bit concerned that some people might not see it because it's so small and so far over to the right. But otherwise, I think it works quite well. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 09:37, 26 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I've increased the width and the font size a small amount, so hopefully it should be a bit more noticeable. Better? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 10:48, 26 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Yes. I hadn't realized that the banner hang out at the right edge of the window, regardless of size, so I withdraw my concern about it being too far to the right. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 07:31, 29 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Joining GargWiki ==<br />
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Okay, we ''really'' need a mechanism set up by which new users can join GargWiki. If we're still concerned about spamming, then we should get a system that is completely disconnected: something like the Ask Greg comment room, but just for this... Or we could actually redirect users to the Ask Greg comment room. Get them to say 'I have registered as such-and-such, please allow me to edit GargWiki'. Or something. Would this be possible? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 07:13, 4 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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:Could someone please attend to Antiyonder's request for editing powers? (I still feel like going through Station Eight is a pretty awkward way to go about this.) -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 10:36, 6 September 2009 (CDT)<br />
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== Family tree ==<br />
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Behold! A day and a half of my life wasted: [[User:Supermorff/Tree]]. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 04:35, 29 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:That is very cool Great job, Supermorff. Hey, are you going to the Gathering this year? -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 07:06, 29 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Nice job! Do you think we could put it in an article with a text version that would allow people to easily get to the articles for all these individuals? -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 07:35, 29 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I had wanted to use the same templates as they use at Wikipedia (have a look, e.g. at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_of_Normandy#Family_tree), in which each box can contain arbitrary wiki markup (including links), but our current version of the MediaWiki software doesn't seem to support that. We could do another version with links, but plotting family trees in text alone is difficult and looks a bit rubbish if it's not done well. Might be worth a try though.<br />
::As for the Gathering, alas I will not be able to make it. My last year of university is wrapping up, and I have suspicions that two flights acros the Atlantic would not help me with revision. I could be wrong. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 08:29, 29 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Another Character Page Idea==<br />
So, I'd say the Appearences sections on the character pages have been great and have really added to the information on this site. So, in response to the success of that section, I have another idea. Notable Quotes. Just take 1-5 quotes from a character and put them on the page if we want to. I was thinking making a new section called Notable Quotes and adding them there. I wouldn't want more than five or so, least it get cluttered. Another idea is putting a quote at the top of the character's page, but I feel that there is too much going on up there already. So, what do you think? -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 21:31, 7 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Hmm. Maybe. I am skeptical. Couldn't we just link to [http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Gargoyles the ''Gargoyles'' page at Wikiquote]? On the Main Page maybe? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 04:21, 8 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==MediaWiki software update==<br />
Has there been any progress on updating the MediaWiki software that this site uses? I tried adding the possibility of collapsible tables. It didn't seem too complicated when I read how to do it, but it hasn't worked anyway, at least not as expected. I assume it's just not compatible with the version we've got. The current stable version of MediaWiki is 1.12, and we're still running 1.5. Time for an upgrade? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 15:53, 31 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== image requests ==<br />
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:''Moved from [[GargWiki:Community Portal#Requested images]]''<br />
Hi, guys. I just wanted to let you know that I'll be fulfilling these image requests soon now that I have plenty of time on my hands. I hope to have them done by the weekend. Take care! [[User:Dtaina|D Taina]] 12:20, 7 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Thanks DTaina! You rock!!! -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 17:46, 7 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Hey, guys. DT here. If you know of any articles that have low quality pics (such as VCR screenshots or logos), or if you just want more pics, don't hesitate to let me know so I can get to work. [[User:Dtaina|D Taina]] 17:25, 9 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Just a thought==<br />
So, I'm thinking of creating a [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Gargoyles]] page. Mostly as an answer to a lot of really wacky theories I've seen out there. Some, like ''"Gargoyles was originally an anime," "Disney hates Gargoyles and conspired to kill it," "Space-Spawn look like gargoyles," "The Gathering of the Gargoyles is always in Montreal," "Goliath embraced the human way in Mark of the Panther," "Lexington can't be gay because he went after Angela,"'' and so on and so forth. Thoughts? Suggestions? -{{unsigned|Greg Bishansky}}<br />
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:I like the page so far and the concept in general. I think we just need to figure out places we could link to it from so it's not just sitting there all by its lonesome. Possibilities include the Gargoyles TV series page and places in character or episode articles that mention these misconceptions. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 14:38, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Owen/Puck==<br />
Okay, so far, we've merged all alternate identities for characters into single entries. Molly and Banshee are now merged. Jon and John are now merged, etc. What do we do about Owen and Puck? I asked Greg his thoughts and even he thinks that one is not so clear cut. ''"It's a judgement call. I'd tend to combine them under a Puck/Owen Burnett entry with both the Puck and the Owen Burnett entries redirecting. But I think you should discuss it with the gwiki crew. Get a consensus."'' So, thoughts? --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 17:00, 11 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think it can go either way. I see no problem with having them in separate entries, but if you guys want to change it, then that's fine by me. [[User:Dtaina|DTaina]] 17:55, 11 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:It's a tough call. It would make sense to do the merge of aliases and alternate forms across the board. But the Puck/Owen thing just feels a little different. Aliases are fairly simple: you just pick the name that the character either had first or uses most frequently. "Dominique Destine" is just Demona's human alias. "Talon" is the name Derek Maza adopted after he was mutated, but his family still calls him "Derek." Alternate forms for one of Oberon's children are a little more difficult, but it seems that there's usually a primary identity we can all agree on, like with Banshee. And speaking of Banshee, her disguise was revealed in the same episode where she was introduced. The fact that Owen is Puck, of course, wasn't revealed until near the end of season two. And Puck is more dedicated to playing his role than any other fey we've seen with the possible exception of Titania (and even in that case, there isn't the marked difference in personality between Titania and Anastasia that there is between Owen and Puck). Owen almost is a separate person because Puck is committed to making him one. So should Owen retain a separate entry? And on a more practical note, would we be looking at an unusually long article if we merged the two or just less repetition? -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 20:00, 11 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I definitely think they should not be merged. As [[User:Demonskrye]] said, they are two totally different entities. I think it's fine as is.--[[User:PGFish|PGFish]] 22:53, 11 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Also, I'm not too crazy about merging [[Titania]] and Anastasia Renard. It feels too confusing to me for appearances sections and so on...what about episodes like [[Walkabout]] where Anastasia appears but not Titania. Just my two cents.--[[User:PGFish|PGFish]] 22:59, 11 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I suppose if we are going to be consistent be have to merge them together. I mean with Talon/Derek, Jon/John the merger seems fairly easy and obvious and not very problematic. They are, afterall, the same person using alias'. With Oberon's Children, I wonder... PGFish makes a good point about appearances section issues. I dunno. The more I think about it, the tougher it seems. ultimately though, I feel we should be consistent. Puck and Owen are the same entity. Puck and Owen can't exist at the same time anymore than Derek and Talon can. So, I suppose I'd go for merging them. As for the Appearances Sections, I suppose we need to be consistent there as well and list all the episodes where either Puck or Owen (or any other alias' used by that entity) have appeared. It may be confusing, but simply remember that we are following the person, not the form of the person. Puck is always Puck, even when he is pretending to be Owen. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 00:47, 12 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Yes, but Puck isn't Puck when he's Owen. It's not simply an alias, but a seperate entity. When Owen is around, Puck doesn't exist.--[[User:PGFish|PGFish]] 01:01, 12 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:This is exactly the reason I have by-and-large been against merging aliases and alternate identities, because I knew this was where it was heading. I firmly believe that Puck and Owen should have separate pages.<br />
:Before I get down to my personal opinions, here are a few logistical facts:<br />
:1. The naming issue. You can't very well call the merged page "Owen Burnett", since Owen is an identity created by Puck. You can't call it "Puck" because Puck has appeared in just 4 episodes, compared to Owen's 30+. You also can't call the page "Puck/Owen" or similar, because this will create a subpage of "Puck", which is a redirect and it will wreak havoc with the MediaWiki software. So where do you stick a page like this?<br />
:2. Do we intend to merge the various sections as well? Will we merge the Appearances sections? If so, are we going to list appearances (As Puck) or (As Owen), which we've avoided in other cases? Will we just keep two separate Appearances sections? Will we merge the History sections, and mention "As Owen", or "As Puck" every other paragraphs? What's the point?<br />
:Now for my personal opinions: We don't ''gain'' anything by merging the two articles, except a heaping pile of confusion for new visitors. If I wanted to look for specific information on Puck, I would not look in Owen's article, so I fail to see the benefit in forcing me to look through a combined article for both characters. And yes, I do believe that they are separate characters, not just because they have different appearances, voice actors and personalities. They also have very different spheres of influence in the ''Gargoyles'' universe - spheres which only overlap at young Alex.<br />
:Something to consider when comparing this to other examples: The once-separate identities of Anastasia and Titania have now mostly been combined. Does anyone expect that Anastasia will ever appear again, with no mention of Titania? And yet Owen continues to appear without mention that he is Puck. I wouldn't (in all honesty) be surprised if Puck appeared without mention that he was Owen. So those two situations are not really comparable.<br />
:Also, whereas Anastasia and Titania were written (and cast) with the knowledge that it would be revealed that they were the same person. It wasn't until "The Mirror" was already written that the writers realised that Owen and Puck were the same person. In all the other cases that we've merged, there has never really been any doubt that the two characters/names/identities were always supposed to be "the same". With Owen and Puck, they were initially different and later combined (obviously it made perfect sense and worked beautifully, but that's not the point).<br />
:My final thought: Consistency, which is all fine and dandy, is a secondary consideration to making the best, clearest and most helpful encyclopedia that we can. We don't need to minimize the number of articles we've got, and this isn't Wikipedia in which we'd need to merge all similar characters just so they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. Merging in ''this'' case is not only unnecessary, but unhelpful. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 08:45, 12 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:On a separate-but-related note, the Owen article is woefully short. More than half of the History section is actually about Puck, which could well be causing some of the confusion. We should expand the history section - give specific examples of Owen doing his job (keeping Elisa out in "The Edge", pulling a gun in "Enter Macbeth", taking the swab in "Double Jeopardy", summoning the commandoes in "Masque" and "Bash"). Some parts of the Characteristics section (such as his turning to stone by Demona, and his gaining a stone hand) should be mentioned in the History section in their proper context. We should mention that he's good at judo. We should add the anecdote about Owen being written with some unknown secret in his backstory, and then say how Greg and several other writers ''realized'', simultaneously and separately, that Owen and Puck were the same person. We should re-word the opening paragraph, so that Owen seems to be a character in his own right and not just some alias used by Puck, because he's more than that, and we should treat him as such. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 08:45, 12 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Okay, after reading what Supermorff had to say, I want to change my vote. I think Owen and Puck should remain seperate. I think I know how to work this all out. I think alias' should be merged so Dominique Destine should be with Demona, John Castaway and Jon Canmore should be the same page, Talon and Derek, etc. These are the exact same person using different names and perhaps looking or acting different, but they are not new people. Meanwhile, alternate identities should remain seperate because they are two different people. <br />
::So, alias' merge, alternate identities remain seperate. What do you think? -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 21:23, 12 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with Supermorff 100%, too. You guys have my vote! [[User:Dtaina|DTaina]] 11:29, 13 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Young character pictures ==<br />
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Recently a lot of pictures have been added of younger versions of several characters. These picures look great, and thanks both to GregW for suggesting the idea and DTaina for doing the hard work and providing them all! However, I would like to suggest that some of them be re-labelled to include either the age of the character or the year being depicted. So [[Princess Katharine]] is the best way of doing it (by the way, we need a young one of her too), but many others are less clear (I'm not sure why, but [[Bodhe]] seems like a particularly bad offender to me). Anyone agree? Disagree? Like pancakes? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 16:30, 16 January 2009 (CST)<br />
:Makes sense to me.--[[User:Gweisman|Gweisman]] 01:42, 17 January 2009 (CST)<br />
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==A Scottish Family Tree==<br />
So, I unfortunately lack the photoshop skills, but I want to make a Family Tree of the Scottish royal family for the wiki. From [[Kenneth mac Alpin]] all the way down to [[Luach]] and [[Canmore]]. Anyone up for it? --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 23:01, 14 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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:I was just pondering that this afternoon, actually. I'd suggest using this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Familytree The end result then supports hyperlinks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_family#Family_tree I can do it, but not until after the Gathering. I'd have to import additional templates too. -[[User:Lumpmoose|lumpmoose]] 23:16, 14 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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::This has already been done! [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] has already made one [[User:Supermorff/Tree|here]]. It could perhaps use some updating given the new information, however. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 16:12, 15 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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:::I'm willing to update this and format it into a [[Scottish Royalty]] page or something, if Supermorff doesn't mind. But I'll need the original code. The family trees I've found are image files. -[[User:Lumpmoose|lumpmoose]] 22:53, 30 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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::::When I started doing this (a very ''very'' ling time ago), I wanted to create the Familytree template here. However, I think we have out-of-date MediaWiki software on this site, so all I could do was produce the sourcecode and copy the picture from another wiki. The sourcecode is all listed on that page Matt linked to, but it won't work here. If you could make it work, I'd love to see it on its own page! -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 16:31, 25 December 2009 (CST)<br />
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==Things of a more... "adult" nature==<br />
So, thanks to Blue Mug-A-Guests at various Gatherings, and occasional tidbits at Ask Greg, I'm wondering, do we stick any of this into the GargWiki? We always said we'd be all encompassing. --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 15:15, 13 April 2010 (CDT)<br />
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:Can we provide sources for it? Stuff at AskGreg is fair game, but I'm hesitant to add things directly from Blue Mug-a-Guests unless someone posted about it at AskGreg, thus giving Greg a chance to correct or whatever.<br />
:It being of adult nature doesn't bother me at all. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 12:10, 14 April 2010 (CDT)<br />
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::Well, I started with a tiny one in Demona's entry, just to see how well it goes over. Maybe if it's not too awkward, we can add more where appropriate. --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 20:59, 26 April 2010 (CDT)<br />
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==Weapons==<br />
So, DTaina had a great idea about putting together entries for weapons. Kinda like what we did for [[Exo-Frame]]. Still trying to think of how we'd do it. Obviously, particle beams need an entry. Demona's various big fucking guns could get an entry. I'd love it to be [[Demona's Big Fucking Guns]] but I won't fight for it ;) --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 17:40, 20 April 2010 (CDT)<br />
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==New Screenshots==<br />
You may have noticed some screenshots getting replaced by higher quality PNG files. Well, recently DTaina and I downloaded the latter half of season two in German. The quality of the video and picture is beautiful. DVD quality even. Much better than the ToonDisney and Jetix versions we've been using. So, for characters that popped up in episodes not on DVD, we'll be replacing their images with high quality PNG files. This will be a timely process, I think. But worth it. --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 14:49, 16 August 2010 (CDT)<br />
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:Already noticing the improvement! Nice work! -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 16:45, 17 August 2010 (CDT)<br />
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== Images ==<br />
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I see lots of [[Special:UncategorizedFiles|unused images]] on the database. May I delete them, or do you guys prefer to stow images for later use? Also, I'd like to categorize images using a simple template I usually customize for each wiki in which I'm most active. Upon community approval, this would also be dependent of us having parser function work. [[User:Thogial|Thogial]] 07:06, 14 May 2011 (PDT)<br />
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:You just linked to the uncategorised files. Unused files are [[Special:UnusedFiles|here]]. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 00:28, 15 May 2011 (PDT)<br />
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::Doh. That's what I meant. [[User:Thogial|Thogial]] 02:13, 15 May 2011 (PDT)<br />
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==Criteria for "Non-Canon" Art by Canon Artists==<br />
Since this issue just hit the fan, maybe it's time we really discussed this, and came up with official rules. I think a MAIN PIC needs to show the character off as best we can. If Greg Guler or Frank Paur were releasing art of characters, I'd be all for including them also. In other words, I want those pics up, so let's revise these rules. Here is what I'm thinking:<br />
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Unofficial art by official artists is welcome on GargWiki. Encouraged even. But there should be certain criteria. Depicting a canon character is perfect. Depicting a non-canon scene is not allowed. For example, we have two main pics from Karine Charlebois. One depicting Katana and one depicting the Redemption Squad. Both are terrific and fit the proposed criteria perfectly. However, art of, let's say for example, Katana fighting Hakon even by an official artist like Charlebois or Paur, cannot be used because such a thing hasn't taken place in canon.<br />
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Karine also has beautiful art of Brooklyn up, with everything we've seen since the end of "[[Phoenix]]." Except for the eye-patch. And since we don't know when he received his injury relative to when he received all his weapons and the armor, that art would not meet our criteria.<br />
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What do you all think? Thoughts? Suggestions? --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 10:44, 19 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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:I vote for canon pics. I feel that the purity of the canon material is more important than whether or not it looks good. Take Wikipedia for example. How many articles have you seen with grainy and badly drawn pictures of TV show characters, even though higher quality fanart pictures have always been available? We can have character models that were drawn behind the scenes. And we can have fanart here and there, but it shouldn't dominate the canon material. For me, canon and CiT should be above everything. And you guys can always count on me to touch up canon screenshots or scans that look a little sub par. What do you guys think? [[User:Dtaina|DTaina]] 11:04, 19 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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::Taina, I think you missed what was being said. We're discussing revising the rules, with a VERY STRICT criteria to allow us to use the best resources we have. And as for wikipedia... I think it is a TERRIBLE website full of misinformation that is dumbing us down as a culture, and I refuse to use them as an authority on anything. And [http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/72347/july-31-2006/the-word---wikiality|Stephen Colbert agrees with me] ;)--[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 11:11, 19 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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:::I'd revise the rules to never let fanart take the top spot. As a fan artist myself, I think I know where I'm coming from on this. [[User:Dtaina|DTaina]] 11:24, 19 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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::::Yes, but you aren't a canon artist doing a fan-art, really the only ones who can respond to this with weight are Karine, Greg Guler, Frank Paur, Chris Jones, and anyone else who worked on the designs in the show/comic. For my part, I can see both sides of the argument, and have remained relatively neutral in these proceedings, however, if I am to cast a vote, I vote with in favor of GregXB's proposal providing that all of the safeguards and requirements he has requested are strictly enforced. --[[User:Griffinwyrm7|Griffinwyrm7]] 11:32, 19 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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: Perhaps if the non-canon pics included some form of disclaimer identifying them as such in the captions? I'm not opposed to revising the rules, provided whatever rule we do eventually decide on is both clear and unambiguous. [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] 12:03, 19 January 2012 (PST)</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=GargWiki_talk:Community_Portal&diff=25046GargWiki talk:Community Portal2012-01-19T20:03:36Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>Since someone suggested it earlier, I decided to go ahead and open up the community portal for general discussions/suggestions for the whole of GargWiki. Enjoy! --[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 17:33, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Yay! Thank you Moeen. Now I have a place to make a suggestion: Does the side and border of the website have to be bright white? I like the dark blue of the rest of the site, it is easier on the eyes, but the white is hard on the eyes. Maybe it could be some other color, such as light blue? I know this is minor but little aesthetic things impact a website's overall viewing experience. -- [[User:Vaevictis Asmadi|Vaevictis Asmadi]] 23:06, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:You're welcome. :-) As for the background, I think in order to change it you have to edit the default skin used by the wiki, which is not something I know how to do, but I'm sure it can be done. Speaking of knowing how to do things, the link to [[:Help:Contents|Help]] on the sidebar links to a page that doesn't even exist! It would be nice if you could actually get help from the help page. Maybe some of the people running this place can put something there? Surely there's a MediaWiki manual for this site? Also, we could put up some general guidelines for writing articles on the GargWiki in the help section or on a related page. --[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 12:20, 8 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Yes! A very good idea. And filling out the Help page would also be good. -- [[User:Vaevictis Asmadi|Vaevictis Asmadi]] 10:49, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Italics==<br />
Got another question. I've gone through the wiki and italicized all capitalized references to ''Gargoyles'' the television show and ''Gargoyles'' the property. Should references to Gargoyles the comic book also be italicized? Right now the wiki is inconsistent, but I have seen ''Gargoyles: Bad Guys'' italicized. -- [[User:Vaevictis Asmadi|Vaevictis Asmadi]] 23:21, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Just my opinion, but I do think the title of both the television series and the comic book series (as opposed to the titles of episodes/issues) should be consistently italicized - gdw<br />
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:I've been using Wikipedia conventions (which I always fall back on in cases of confusion), which basically say television series, plays, films, comic book series, etc are all italicized. Episode titles are not italicized, but they are put in inverted commas "". On GargWiki we tend to use both italics and quotation marks for episode citations, but I think that's a special case. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 10:32, 8 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::So I went through and changed all the ones I could find. But here's a question. We're italicizing the names of episodes and comic issues in this Wiki. Should we also italicize the parenthises? The current state seems slightly inconsistent. My personal preference is to leave the parenthises non-italicized, but my main interest is to standardize the formatting throughout the Wiki. What format should we set? We could do it like this: ''("[[Monsters]]")'' or like this: (''"[[Monsters]]"''). -- [[User:Vaevictis Asmadi|Vaevictis Asmadi]] 14:29, 13 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::Are we italicizing the episodes and comic issues? I'm not sure that's consistent on the wiki either. But my opinion of it is that it is the citation that is italicized, not the episode. So I prefer italicizing the parenthises too, but that's just my preference. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 17:19, 13 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Creating new pages==<br />
OK, I'm still a bit new to wiki-ing, so I'm not familiar with all the procedure. I'd like to add a new page for the Disney Adventures comic "A Study In Stone" (which would be counted in Apocrypha, of course, but I don't knw how to make a new page, or even if I can, not being a mod. Help? -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 14 September 2007<br />
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:You absolutely can! Anyone can create a page, and you can do it in one of two ways.<br />
:'''The first way:''' if you edit a page to include a link to your required article (in this case by adding the text <nowiki>[[A Study In Stone]]</nowiki>) it will produce a red (broken) link. Note that, when you edit a page to make a link like this, you can just use the preview button and you don't even need a to save. Next, you click on the red link (as if it was a non-broken, regular link), and it will take you to that page's "edit page". From there you can edit the page as if it already existed, and when you save it'll be right there.<br />
:'''The second way:''' you type in the title you want in the search bar to the left of the screen and push "Go". It will tell you that "No page with <font color="red">this exact title</font> exists". If you click on the red link on the words "this exact title", it will send you to the edit page of the page you want.<br />
:If you want to practice first, try creating your own user page by clicking on the link to [[User:Demonskrye]]. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 09:15, 14 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::Much thanks! The article for [[A Study in Stone]] is now up and viewable in the [[:Category:Apocrypha|Aprocrypha category]]. We can move it into one of the sub-categories, but until "Apocrypha Epsiodes" becomes something like "Apocrypha Storylines", I don't think there's an appropriate one for it. Also, I'd suggest that we put the info for making a new page into the now empty "Help" section.<br />
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A similar question. I've now done a couple of articles for the Disney Adventures comics, so I think we could use a "Disney Adevntures" subcategory in [[:Category:Apocrypha]]. I checked over on MediaWiki, but I'm still confused about how a subcategory is made. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 17 September 2007<br />
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:Those pages look pretty good. Creating a category is just like creating a page, except that you need to include the "Category:" prefix (note the colon). So either add the category to a page and use the red link, or type "Category:Whatever" into the search bar and hit "go", then proceed as before. For a subcategory, you just need to categorize the category. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 16:33, 17 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Help==<br />
Since there's nothing in the help section, at some point I'll copy the help pages from MediaWiki here. In the meantime, you can find all the help you need [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents here]. --[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 12:03, 15 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Google rankings==<br />
On 19 September 2007 (about 7 pm GMT), a search for 'Gargoyles' on Google turns up GargWiki at number 92 (the Gargoyles page on Wikiquote is 93). 'Gargoyles+Disney' is even worse at 132, and even then the link is to Category:Apocrypha (there's another link to the Episode Guide at 145). 'Gargoyles+TV' has a link to Grimorum at 18, but GargWiki doesn't appear until 75 (Talk:Main Page).<br />
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Obviously, this is not a great situation to be in. Wikia has a few suggestions to improve the rankings [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/User:Toughpigs/10_steps_to_raise_your_wiki%27s_Google_ranking here]. Section 2 is particularly interesting. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 13:24, 19 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:So perhaps our rankings would be better if the name of the main page was something like "GargWiki - The Disney's Gargoyles Wiki" rather than the way we have it now, which Google may not get? [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 19 September 2007<br />
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::I don't feel that Google rankings are as important as other might think, and our priority should be to improve the content here as best we can. But regardless, whatever you do '''''don't spam or vandalize other sites with links to GargWiki'''''. It is precisely [http://gargoyles.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/G._Bishansky this] kind of behavior (see [http://gargoyles.wikia.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=2669 here] for a more specific example) that got us blocked from Wikipedia, and probably other sites as well. If that happens, we'll be down even ''lower'' than we are now with the rankings. So please keep that in mind. --[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 15:25, 19 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::That's true. I didn't think of that. Yeah, I never meant to even imply that spamming other sites was in any way a good thing. Cos it's not. Seriously.<br />
:::But changing the name of the Main Page might not be a bad idea, as long as we can do it without causing too much disruption. "GargWiki - The Gargoyles Wiki" is probably enough, or just "Gargoyles Wiki" as inour logo. But it might make the page look odd. I notice that the Main Pages on Wikipedia and Wikia sites don't have titles, as other pages do. Is there some way we could do that here? If not... maybe it's not worth it. I don't know. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 16:12, 19 September 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==Community Portal upgrade==<br />
I'm thinking of moving this page to [[GargWiki talk:Community Portal]], and turning [[GargWiki:Community Portal]] into an actual project page. I mean a proper "Welcome to the Community Portal, and here's what we got going on" sort of project page. We could have links to all the ongoing discussions throughout the wiki, which would be useful, and I'm also thinking of having a "Requested pages" section, where users can (basically) request a page. Thoughts? Comments? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 12:54, 8 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Sounds like a good idea. This site really does need a page introducing new users or potential users to how things work around here. Plus we really need some guidelines, and given that there doesn't seem to exist any anywhere on this site, this would be good place to set some up.--[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 14:43, 11 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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::[[GargWiki:Policy]] has some behavioural guidelines, if that's what you mean. Is that what you meant? But anyway, since this could be a complicated reorganisation I'll start writing up a draft of the new page before I start doing anything. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 10:28, 12 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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:::I've written up a page - not quite everything I had originally intended, but it's a good start and we can always expand it later. I'll make the switch-over now. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 09:12, 1 December 2007 (CST)<br />
:::Done. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 09:20, 1 December 2007 (CST)<br />
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==A history lesson==<br />
Does anyone here know how GargWiki came to be made? When was it started, and who by, and what prompted its creation? I'm just asking because it would be nice to get a little background (not necessarily a lot) to flesh out the page [[GargWiki:About]]. I know that it must have been created on or shortly before 26 July 2006, because that's the first edit I can find and it's also when [[User:Jeb]], [[User:Greg Bishansky]] and [[User:Trio]] were made administrators. If anyone does know, feel free to answer either here or at [[GargWiki talk:About]]... or just add the information to the page. Thanks in advance. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 10:38, 12 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Upgrading the Wiki ==<br />
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Looking into Matt's suggestion for an Appearances section, I've noticed that this wiki lacks some of the functionality of other wikis because it's out of date. In particular, the version of MediaWiki used here is 1.5.1, whereas the latest version is 1.11.0. Granted we usually don't use the full functionality of the wiki, but it's still useful to stay up to date. Not being a system admin, I can't update the wiki myself, but it would be nice if whoever is the system admin is would do so.<br />
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As far as using Wikipedia's referencing system, to install it follow the installation instructions [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite/Cite.php#Installation here]. It's only two steps, but requires accessing the system, something I can't do, but a system admin would be able to do.<br />
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P.S. Happy New Years to everyone! --[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 03:00, 1 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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:I commented on this at [[Talk:Appearences Section]], but I'll repeat myself here: you can search for admins by using [[Special:Listusers]], but the ones that are most likely to be able to help you are Greg B, Matt, or Jeb.<br />
:Happy New Year to you too. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 15:34, 5 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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Sounds like you guys know more about the Wikipedia software than I do. You'll have to talk to Jeb or Greg B. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 15:36, 5 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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:Alright, thanks. I'll inform Jeb and Greg B. on their talk pages and see it they can do something about it.--[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 15:44, 5 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== Speculation ==<br />
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Poking around the wiki, I think that there are a few too many places where personal speculation makes its way into the articles. Now there's speculation that I think is OK and speculation that I think doesn't belong here. Speculation that I think is OK is speculation that's based on established real world or Gargoyles universe fact. For example, since we know that gargoyle children generally receive physical characteristics from both parents, often favoring the appearance of the same gender parent and the coloration of the opposite gender parent, it would be fair to speculated that children of know gargoyle couples will probably resemble both of their parents, possibly even in that pattern. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Artus will definitely look like a lavender Broadway, but the suggestion that he might have some of Broadway's physical features and Angela's coloring would be OK. If we didn't know that Elisa was going to be dead by 2198, I would consider it fair to say that she probably would be, given that she would be 230 years old by that time, which is well beyond human life expectancy as we currently know it. Short of major scientific breakthroughs or magical intervention, it would be safe to say that Elisa would probably not be around in roughly two centuries. I think Greg Weisman speculation is also fair game. greg has suggested, but never outright confirmed, that Zafiro and the gargoyle beasts may both have vestigial limbs, Zafiro due to appearing to be four limbed and the beasts as an evolutionary leftover from their common ancestor with gargoyles. I feel no problem with putting that in as canon-in-training as a possibility rather than a certainty until we either have Greg say it's not so (leading to it being deleted) or see someone take x-rays a Zafiro and/or the beasts (leading to it becoming canon). What I'm not OK with is speculation that is based more on guesses or predictions of character's behavior. I took a section out of Zafiro's article that suggested that his hair coloration and facial features could be presumed to be fairly common among the Mayan clan. We don't have any way of knowing that. We apparently know from Greg as canon-in-training that Zafiro's snake-like body structure is very common, despite the fact that he is the only current member of the clan to have it. But for all we know, he could be the only gargoyle in the Mayan clan with white hair and a serpentine face. Similarly, I think there's too much assumption about future hatchlings and their knowledge of their biological parentage. It is OK to assume that Nashville will have a closer relationship with Brooklyn and Katana for a while at least because they will be the only adult gargoyles he spends the majority of his time with. But once Brooklyn and family return to Manhattan, who knows? He may become particularly close to Angela or Broadway or Lex as well. And we have no evidence that Brooklyn and Katana will teach him to put importance on biological parentage. Yes, when he starts asking questions, he'll probably either be aware that Brook and Katana are his biological parents. But if they place no importance on that, if they tell him "We are two of your parents and we love you, but you have other parents and other family out there and some day you will get to see them and they will be just as much your family", it won't matter so much to him that the rest of the clan isn't related to him by blood. Same deal with Angela. It's more tempting to assume that she'll put more emphasis on biology because she is so interested in her own parentage. But things could change. When Nashville arrives and she actually sees the rest of the clan start to parent him, she may start to feel differently about what communal parenting really means. I think it's highly likely that she might tell her kids that she's their biological mother before they necessarily ask (though it's still not something I would assume). But I just don't think we can assume how she'll be raising kids who have yet to be conceived.<br />
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Thoughts? -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 10:47, 7 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== Apocrypha ==<br />
At the head of any CIT article is a banner making it clear that's all it is. Shouldn't we have something similar for Apocrypha. To be clear, I think it's 100% appropriate for there to be articles here on, say, Dr. Phobos or Judge Bates, but shouldn't we have a (red?) flag of some kind at the top? -- gdw<br />
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:This problem has been raised at [[Talk:Angels in the Night]]. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 05:26, 4 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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::I'm glad this has come up again since the recent appearances of many of these apocrypha pages has beenn irking me. I like the idea a lot of a red flag banner at the top of such pages. I want this site to be about all things Gargoyles, including the non-canon stuff, but I think there needs to be a well seen line between the canon and the not canon, and that line is nearly invisible on pages like [[Dr. Phobos]] and [[Judge Bates]]. Frankly, I don't even like the apocyrpha sections on pages like [[Brooklyn]]. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 08:59, 4 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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:::If you do this, I think you should only provide the banners for in-universe apocryphal articles, and not the out-of-universe articles (issues, episodes, the video-game, etc.). -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 04:59, 7 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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::::Actually, [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]], I was thinking this was something you'd be better at then myself. I have no idea how to create a banner. And I think we would all trust your skills and judgement. I don't mean to seem like I'm assigning you this though, but if you want to do it at some point, that'd be cool. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 07:45, 7 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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:::::To be honest, this is way down at the bottom of "things I plan to do". Way down. Since I'm not entirely settled on the idea anyway, I probably won't get round to it for a long while.<br />
:::::But making a banner isn't so hard. Have a look at the source code at [[Template:CIT article]], then just change the details a bit. You don't need to know what it all does (I don't), but you can figure out enough to get by. The text is easy to change, but you can also change the background (as long as you know the hex code of the colour you want) and other things. Then it's just a matter of tweaking until it looks the way you want it to. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 12:04, 7 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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::::::I've created a [[Template:Apocrypha article]] and implemented it on some TGC character pages. It's not quite a banner, but let me know what you think. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 06:49, 26 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I love it. Great job man! -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 08:02, 26 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I'm a little bit concerned that some people might not see it because it's so small and so far over to the right. But otherwise, I think it works quite well. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 09:37, 26 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I've increased the width and the font size a small amount, so hopefully it should be a bit more noticeable. Better? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 10:48, 26 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:::Yes. I hadn't realized that the banner hang out at the right edge of the window, regardless of size, so I withdraw my concern about it being too far to the right. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 07:31, 29 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Joining GargWiki ==<br />
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Okay, we ''really'' need a mechanism set up by which new users can join GargWiki. If we're still concerned about spamming, then we should get a system that is completely disconnected: something like the Ask Greg comment room, but just for this... Or we could actually redirect users to the Ask Greg comment room. Get them to say 'I have registered as such-and-such, please allow me to edit GargWiki'. Or something. Would this be possible? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 07:13, 4 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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:Could someone please attend to Antiyonder's request for editing powers? (I still feel like going through Station Eight is a pretty awkward way to go about this.) -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 10:36, 6 September 2009 (CDT)<br />
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== Family tree ==<br />
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Behold! A day and a half of my life wasted: [[User:Supermorff/Tree]]. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 04:35, 29 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:That is very cool Great job, Supermorff. Hey, are you going to the Gathering this year? -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 07:06, 29 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Nice job! Do you think we could put it in an article with a text version that would allow people to easily get to the articles for all these individuals? -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 07:35, 29 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::I had wanted to use the same templates as they use at Wikipedia (have a look, e.g. at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_of_Normandy#Family_tree), in which each box can contain arbitrary wiki markup (including links), but our current version of the MediaWiki software doesn't seem to support that. We could do another version with links, but plotting family trees in text alone is difficult and looks a bit rubbish if it's not done well. Might be worth a try though.<br />
::As for the Gathering, alas I will not be able to make it. My last year of university is wrapping up, and I have suspicions that two flights acros the Atlantic would not help me with revision. I could be wrong. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 08:29, 29 April 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Another Character Page Idea==<br />
So, I'd say the Appearences sections on the character pages have been great and have really added to the information on this site. So, in response to the success of that section, I have another idea. Notable Quotes. Just take 1-5 quotes from a character and put them on the page if we want to. I was thinking making a new section called Notable Quotes and adding them there. I wouldn't want more than five or so, least it get cluttered. Another idea is putting a quote at the top of the character's page, but I feel that there is too much going on up there already. So, what do you think? -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 21:31, 7 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:Hmm. Maybe. I am skeptical. Couldn't we just link to [http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Gargoyles the ''Gargoyles'' page at Wikiquote]? On the Main Page maybe? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 04:21, 8 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==MediaWiki software update==<br />
Has there been any progress on updating the MediaWiki software that this site uses? I tried adding the possibility of collapsible tables. It didn't seem too complicated when I read how to do it, but it hasn't worked anyway, at least not as expected. I assume it's just not compatible with the version we've got. The current stable version of MediaWiki is 1.12, and we're still running 1.5. Time for an upgrade? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 15:53, 31 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== image requests ==<br />
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:''Moved from [[GargWiki:Community Portal#Requested images]]''<br />
Hi, guys. I just wanted to let you know that I'll be fulfilling these image requests soon now that I have plenty of time on my hands. I hope to have them done by the weekend. Take care! [[User:Dtaina|D Taina]] 12:20, 7 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
:Thanks DTaina! You rock!!! -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 17:46, 7 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Hey, guys. DT here. If you know of any articles that have low quality pics (such as VCR screenshots or logos), or if you just want more pics, don't hesitate to let me know so I can get to work. [[User:Dtaina|D Taina]] 17:25, 9 May 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Just a thought==<br />
So, I'm thinking of creating a [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Gargoyles]] page. Mostly as an answer to a lot of really wacky theories I've seen out there. Some, like ''"Gargoyles was originally an anime," "Disney hates Gargoyles and conspired to kill it," "Space-Spawn look like gargoyles," "The Gathering of the Gargoyles is always in Montreal," "Goliath embraced the human way in Mark of the Panther," "Lexington can't be gay because he went after Angela,"'' and so on and so forth. Thoughts? Suggestions? -{{unsigned|Greg Bishansky}}<br />
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:I like the page so far and the concept in general. I think we just need to figure out places we could link to it from so it's not just sitting there all by its lonesome. Possibilities include the Gargoyles TV series page and places in character or episode articles that mention these misconceptions. -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 14:38, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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==Owen/Puck==<br />
Okay, so far, we've merged all alternate identities for characters into single entries. Molly and Banshee are now merged. Jon and John are now merged, etc. What do we do about Owen and Puck? I asked Greg his thoughts and even he thinks that one is not so clear cut. ''"It's a judgement call. I'd tend to combine them under a Puck/Owen Burnett entry with both the Puck and the Owen Burnett entries redirecting. But I think you should discuss it with the gwiki crew. Get a consensus."'' So, thoughts? --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 17:00, 11 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:I think it can go either way. I see no problem with having them in separate entries, but if you guys want to change it, then that's fine by me. [[User:Dtaina|DTaina]] 17:55, 11 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:It's a tough call. It would make sense to do the merge of aliases and alternate forms across the board. But the Puck/Owen thing just feels a little different. Aliases are fairly simple: you just pick the name that the character either had first or uses most frequently. "Dominique Destine" is just Demona's human alias. "Talon" is the name Derek Maza adopted after he was mutated, but his family still calls him "Derek." Alternate forms for one of Oberon's children are a little more difficult, but it seems that there's usually a primary identity we can all agree on, like with Banshee. And speaking of Banshee, her disguise was revealed in the same episode where she was introduced. The fact that Owen is Puck, of course, wasn't revealed until near the end of season two. And Puck is more dedicated to playing his role than any other fey we've seen with the possible exception of Titania (and even in that case, there isn't the marked difference in personality between Titania and Anastasia that there is between Owen and Puck). Owen almost is a separate person because Puck is committed to making him one. So should Owen retain a separate entry? And on a more practical note, would we be looking at an unusually long article if we merged the two or just less repetition? -- [[User:Demonskrye|Demonskrye]] 20:00, 11 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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I definitely think they should not be merged. As [[User:Demonskrye]] said, they are two totally different entities. I think it's fine as is.--[[User:PGFish|PGFish]] 22:53, 11 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
Also, I'm not too crazy about merging [[Titania]] and Anastasia Renard. It feels too confusing to me for appearances sections and so on...what about episodes like [[Walkabout]] where Anastasia appears but not Titania. Just my two cents.--[[User:PGFish|PGFish]] 22:59, 11 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:I suppose if we are going to be consistent be have to merge them together. I mean with Talon/Derek, Jon/John the merger seems fairly easy and obvious and not very problematic. They are, afterall, the same person using alias'. With Oberon's Children, I wonder... PGFish makes a good point about appearances section issues. I dunno. The more I think about it, the tougher it seems. ultimately though, I feel we should be consistent. Puck and Owen are the same entity. Puck and Owen can't exist at the same time anymore than Derek and Talon can. So, I suppose I'd go for merging them. As for the Appearances Sections, I suppose we need to be consistent there as well and list all the episodes where either Puck or Owen (or any other alias' used by that entity) have appeared. It may be confusing, but simply remember that we are following the person, not the form of the person. Puck is always Puck, even when he is pretending to be Owen. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 00:47, 12 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Yes, but Puck isn't Puck when he's Owen. It's not simply an alias, but a seperate entity. When Owen is around, Puck doesn't exist.--[[User:PGFish|PGFish]] 01:01, 12 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:This is exactly the reason I have by-and-large been against merging aliases and alternate identities, because I knew this was where it was heading. I firmly believe that Puck and Owen should have separate pages.<br />
:Before I get down to my personal opinions, here are a few logistical facts:<br />
:1. The naming issue. You can't very well call the merged page "Owen Burnett", since Owen is an identity created by Puck. You can't call it "Puck" because Puck has appeared in just 4 episodes, compared to Owen's 30+. You also can't call the page "Puck/Owen" or similar, because this will create a subpage of "Puck", which is a redirect and it will wreak havoc with the MediaWiki software. So where do you stick a page like this?<br />
:2. Do we intend to merge the various sections as well? Will we merge the Appearances sections? If so, are we going to list appearances (As Puck) or (As Owen), which we've avoided in other cases? Will we just keep two separate Appearances sections? Will we merge the History sections, and mention "As Owen", or "As Puck" every other paragraphs? What's the point?<br />
:Now for my personal opinions: We don't ''gain'' anything by merging the two articles, except a heaping pile of confusion for new visitors. If I wanted to look for specific information on Puck, I would not look in Owen's article, so I fail to see the benefit in forcing me to look through a combined article for both characters. And yes, I do believe that they are separate characters, not just because they have different appearances, voice actors and personalities. They also have very different spheres of influence in the ''Gargoyles'' universe - spheres which only overlap at young Alex.<br />
:Something to consider when comparing this to other examples: The once-separate identities of Anastasia and Titania have now mostly been combined. Does anyone expect that Anastasia will ever appear again, with no mention of Titania? And yet Owen continues to appear without mention that he is Puck. I wouldn't (in all honesty) be surprised if Puck appeared without mention that he was Owen. So those two situations are not really comparable.<br />
:Also, whereas Anastasia and Titania were written (and cast) with the knowledge that it would be revealed that they were the same person. It wasn't until "The Mirror" was already written that the writers realised that Owen and Puck were the same person. In all the other cases that we've merged, there has never really been any doubt that the two characters/names/identities were always supposed to be "the same". With Owen and Puck, they were initially different and later combined (obviously it made perfect sense and worked beautifully, but that's not the point).<br />
:My final thought: Consistency, which is all fine and dandy, is a secondary consideration to making the best, clearest and most helpful encyclopedia that we can. We don't need to minimize the number of articles we've got, and this isn't Wikipedia in which we'd need to merge all similar characters just so they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. Merging in ''this'' case is not only unnecessary, but unhelpful. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 08:45, 12 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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:On a separate-but-related note, the Owen article is woefully short. More than half of the History section is actually about Puck, which could well be causing some of the confusion. We should expand the history section - give specific examples of Owen doing his job (keeping Elisa out in "The Edge", pulling a gun in "Enter Macbeth", taking the swab in "Double Jeopardy", summoning the commandoes in "Masque" and "Bash"). Some parts of the Characteristics section (such as his turning to stone by Demona, and his gaining a stone hand) should be mentioned in the History section in their proper context. We should mention that he's good at judo. We should add the anecdote about Owen being written with some unknown secret in his backstory, and then say how Greg and several other writers ''realized'', simultaneously and separately, that Owen and Puck were the same person. We should re-word the opening paragraph, so that Owen seems to be a character in his own right and not just some alias used by Puck, because he's more than that, and we should treat him as such. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 08:45, 12 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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::Okay, after reading what Supermorff had to say, I want to change my vote. I think Owen and Puck should remain seperate. I think I know how to work this all out. I think alias' should be merged so Dominique Destine should be with Demona, John Castaway and Jon Canmore should be the same page, Talon and Derek, etc. These are the exact same person using different names and perhaps looking or acting different, but they are not new people. Meanwhile, alternate identities should remain seperate because they are two different people. <br />
::So, alias' merge, alternate identities remain seperate. What do you think? -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 21:23, 12 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
:::I agree with Supermorff 100%, too. You guys have my vote! [[User:Dtaina|DTaina]] 11:29, 13 June 2008 (CDT)<br />
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== Young character pictures ==<br />
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Recently a lot of pictures have been added of younger versions of several characters. These picures look great, and thanks both to GregW for suggesting the idea and DTaina for doing the hard work and providing them all! However, I would like to suggest that some of them be re-labelled to include either the age of the character or the year being depicted. So [[Princess Katharine]] is the best way of doing it (by the way, we need a young one of her too), but many others are less clear (I'm not sure why, but [[Bodhe]] seems like a particularly bad offender to me). Anyone agree? Disagree? Like pancakes? -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 16:30, 16 January 2009 (CST)<br />
:Makes sense to me.--[[User:Gweisman|Gweisman]] 01:42, 17 January 2009 (CST)<br />
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==A Scottish Family Tree==<br />
So, I unfortunately lack the photoshop skills, but I want to make a Family Tree of the Scottish royal family for the wiki. From [[Kenneth mac Alpin]] all the way down to [[Luach]] and [[Canmore]]. Anyone up for it? --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 23:01, 14 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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:I was just pondering that this afternoon, actually. I'd suggest using this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Familytree The end result then supports hyperlinks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_family#Family_tree I can do it, but not until after the Gathering. I'd have to import additional templates too. -[[User:Lumpmoose|lumpmoose]] 23:16, 14 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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::This has already been done! [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] has already made one [[User:Supermorff/Tree|here]]. It could perhaps use some updating given the new information, however. -- [[User:Matt|Matt]] 16:12, 15 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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:::I'm willing to update this and format it into a [[Scottish Royalty]] page or something, if Supermorff doesn't mind. But I'll need the original code. The family trees I've found are image files. -[[User:Lumpmoose|lumpmoose]] 22:53, 30 August 2009 (CDT)<br />
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::::When I started doing this (a very ''very'' ling time ago), I wanted to create the Familytree template here. However, I think we have out-of-date MediaWiki software on this site, so all I could do was produce the sourcecode and copy the picture from another wiki. The sourcecode is all listed on that page Matt linked to, but it won't work here. If you could make it work, I'd love to see it on its own page! -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 16:31, 25 December 2009 (CST)<br />
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==Things of a more... "adult" nature==<br />
So, thanks to Blue Mug-A-Guests at various Gatherings, and occasional tidbits at Ask Greg, I'm wondering, do we stick any of this into the GargWiki? We always said we'd be all encompassing. --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 15:15, 13 April 2010 (CDT)<br />
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:Can we provide sources for it? Stuff at AskGreg is fair game, but I'm hesitant to add things directly from Blue Mug-a-Guests unless someone posted about it at AskGreg, thus giving Greg a chance to correct or whatever.<br />
:It being of adult nature doesn't bother me at all. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 12:10, 14 April 2010 (CDT)<br />
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::Well, I started with a tiny one in Demona's entry, just to see how well it goes over. Maybe if it's not too awkward, we can add more where appropriate. --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 20:59, 26 April 2010 (CDT)<br />
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==Weapons==<br />
So, DTaina had a great idea about putting together entries for weapons. Kinda like what we did for [[Exo-Frame]]. Still trying to think of how we'd do it. Obviously, particle beams need an entry. Demona's various big fucking guns could get an entry. I'd love it to be [[Demona's Big Fucking Guns]] but I won't fight for it ;) --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 17:40, 20 April 2010 (CDT)<br />
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==New Screenshots==<br />
You may have noticed some screenshots getting replaced by higher quality PNG files. Well, recently DTaina and I downloaded the latter half of season two in German. The quality of the video and picture is beautiful. DVD quality even. Much better than the ToonDisney and Jetix versions we've been using. So, for characters that popped up in episodes not on DVD, we'll be replacing their images with high quality PNG files. This will be a timely process, I think. But worth it. --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 14:49, 16 August 2010 (CDT)<br />
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:Already noticing the improvement! Nice work! -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 16:45, 17 August 2010 (CDT)<br />
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== Images ==<br />
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I see lots of [[Special:UncategorizedFiles|unused images]] on the database. May I delete them, or do you guys prefer to stow images for later use? Also, I'd like to categorize images using a simple template I usually customize for each wiki in which I'm most active. Upon community approval, this would also be dependent of us having parser function work. [[User:Thogial|Thogial]] 07:06, 14 May 2011 (PDT)<br />
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:You just linked to the uncategorised files. Unused files are [[Special:UnusedFiles|here]]. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 00:28, 15 May 2011 (PDT)<br />
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::Doh. That's what I meant. [[User:Thogial|Thogial]] 02:13, 15 May 2011 (PDT)<br />
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==Criteria for "Non-Canon" Art by Canon Artists==<br />
Since this issue just hit the fan, maybe it's time we really discussed this, and came up with official rules. I think a MAIN PIC needs to show the character off as best we can. If Greg Guler or Frank Paur were releasing art of characters, I'd be all for including them also. In other words, I want those pics up, so let's revise these rules. Here is what I'm thinking:<br />
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Unofficial art by official artists is welcome on GargWiki. Encouraged even. But there should be certain criteria. Depicting a canon character is perfect. Depicting a non-canon scene is not allowed. For example, we have two main pics from Karine Charlebois. One depicting Katana and one depicting the Redemption Squad. Both are terrific and fit the proposed criteria perfectly. However, art of, let's say for example, Katana fighting Hakon even by an official artist like Charlebois or Paur, cannot be used because such a thing hasn't taken place in canon.<br />
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Karine also has beautiful art of Brooklyn up, with everything we've seen since the end of "[[Phoenix]]." Except for the eye-patch. And since we don't know when he received his injury relative to when he received all his weapons and the armor, that art would not meet our criteria.<br />
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What do you all think? Thoughts? Suggestions? --[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 10:44, 19 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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:I vote for canon pics. I feel that the purity of the canon material is more important than whether or not it looks good. Take Wikipedia for example. How many articles have you seen with grainy and badly drawn pictures of TV show characters, even though higher quality fanart pictures have always been available? We can have character models that were drawn behind the scenes. And we can have fanart here and there, but it shouldn't dominate the canon material. For me, canon and CiT should be above everything. And you guys can always count on me to touch up canon screenshots or scans that look a little sub par. What do you guys think? [[User:Dtaina|DTaina]] 11:04, 19 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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::Taina, I think you missed what was being said. We're discussing revising the rules, with a VERY STRICT criteria to allow us to use the best resources we have. And as for wikipedia... I think it is a TERRIBLE website full of misinformation that is dumbing us down as a culture, and I refuse to use them as an authority on anything. And [http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/72347/july-31-2006/the-word---wikiality|Stephen Colbert agrees with me] ;)--[[User:Greg Bishansky|GregX]] 11:11, 19 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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:::I'd revise the rules to never let fanart take the top spot. As a fan artist myself, I think I know where I'm coming from on this. [[User:Dtaina|DTaina]] 11:24, 19 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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::::Yes, but you aren't a canon artist doing a fan-art, really the only ones who can respond to this with weight are Karine, Greg Guler, Frank Paur, Chris Jones, and anyone else who worked on the designs in the show/comic. For my part, I can see both sides of the argument, and have remained relatively neutral in these proceedings, however, if I am to cast a vote, I vote with in favor of GregXB's proposal providing that all of the safeguards and requirements he has requested are strictly enforced. --[[User:Griffinwyrm7|Griffinwyrm7]] 11:32, 19 January 2012 (PST)<br />
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: Perhaps if the non-canon pics included some form of disclaimer identifying them as such in the captions? regardless I'm not opposed to revising the rules, provided whatever rule we do eventually decide on is both clear and unambiguous. [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] 12:03, 19 January 2012 (PST)</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Young_Justice&diff=24829Young Justice2011-10-05T19:25:55Z<p>Algernon: Added Jeff's credit for Red Torpedo</p>
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'''''Young Justice''''' is an animated series based on DC comics’ various “sidekick” heroes. The series follows the adventures of Robin, Aqualad, Kid Flash, Superboy, Miss Martian and Artemis, all of whom have been recruited by Batman to act as the Justice League’s covert-ops team. The series was developed and is produced by Brandon Vietti and [[Greg Weisman]].<br />
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The series is not an exclusive adaptation of the DC comic title of the same name but rather draws from all across over seventy years of DC canon, particularly the original Teen Titans, the Justice League of America as well as the original Young Justice comic series.<br />
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The series premiered on the 26th of November 2010 with a one hour movie.<br />
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==Cast Members==<br />
The following ''Gargoyles'' cast members will appear in ''Young Justice''. They are listed in alphabetical order.<br />
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* [[Thom Adcox]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Klarion_the_Witch_Boy Klarion the Witch Boy]<br />
* [[Ed Asner]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Kent_Nelson Kent Nelson]<br />
* [[Jeff Bennett]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Tornado Red Tornado], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/T.O._Morrow T.O. Morrow], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Abra_Kadabra Abra Kadabra], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Alfred_Pennyworth Alfred Pennyworth], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Vulko Vulko], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Torpedo Red Torpedo]<br />
* [[Marina Sirtis]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_Bee Queen Bee], L-4<br />
* [[Kath Soucie]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_Mera Queen Mera], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Lori_Lemaris Lori Lemaris], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Joan_Garrick Joan Garrick]<br />
* [[Cree Summer]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Madame_Xanadu Madame Xanadu], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Tula Tula], [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Mary_West Mary West]<br />
* [[Greg Weisman]] - [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Snapper_Carr Lucas Carr]<br />
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Both ''Gargoyles'' and ''Young Justice'' were voice directed by [[Jamie Thomason]].<br />
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==Comic book tie in==<br />
In January 2011, the first issue of a monthly spin-off comic, in continuity to the series, was released. #0 was written by Greg Weisman and Kevin Hopps. #1-6 was written by Art Baltazar & Franco Aureliani. The art for #1-4 was provided by Mike Norton. Art, Franco and Mike also produced a ''YJ'' story for ''Yonug Justice/Batman: The Brave and The Bold Super Sampler'' which was released for Free Comic Book Day of May 7, 2011.<br />
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[[Christopher Jones]] did the art for #5 and became the book's regular artist from then on.[http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1062].<br />
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Greg Weisman and Kevin Hopps returned to writing for the comic full time as of #7, while having advised Art, Franco and Mike in terms of keeping #1-6 consistent with the continuity.[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=873]<br />
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==See also==<br />
[[Image:FlamingC.JPG|thumb|320px|The Flaming C. Sure he's canon, he's just always standing right off camera.]]<br />
* {{wikipedia|Young_Justice_(TV_series)|Young Justice (TV series)}}<br />
* '''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1641384/ Young Justice]''' at the Internet Movie Database<br />
* '''[http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/Young_Justice_Wiki Young Justice Wiki]''' at Wikia<br />
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[[Category:Out-of-universe]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Algernon&diff=24611User talk:Algernon2011-08-24T10:08:37Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>Hi Algernon! Welcome to GargWiki! There's always room for an extra pair of hands. If you don't know how to help out, then take a look at the [[GargWiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]], which has a list of ongoing discussions you can contribute to, requested pages and pages to be expanded. But of course that's just the tip of the iceberg. Maybe there's a paragraph that needs to be reworded or a tidbit at Ask Greg that nobody else seems to have noticed. Whatever your strong suit, you can help! And if you have any problems, don't hesitate to ask one of the other contributors for advice! Good luck, and have fun! -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 10:27, 12 October 2008 (CDT)<br />
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Cheers, I'll take a look at the wiki now and see if there's anything I can help with. -- [[User:Algernon|Algernon]]<br />
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:I forgot to mention: you can sign and date your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes like this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 20:46, 12 October 2008 (CDT)<br />
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[http://gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Taurus%27s_Father&action=historysubmit&diff=24599&oldid=19358 Well], possessive nouns ''can'' work that way. It's as correct as what you've changed it to. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 01:34, 24 August 2011 (PDT)<br />
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:Really? Must be an American English thing. Feel free to change it back if you like. [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] 03:08, 24 August 2011 (PDT)</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=New_Olympian&diff=24609New Olympian2011-08-23T23:30:56Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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'''New Olympians''' are the descendants of the beings of Greek mythology, now dwelling on the hidden island of [[New Olympus]].<br />
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==History==<br />
The New Olympians were originally known, in the time of ancient Greece, simply as [[Olympians]]. {{CIT|They originated as the offspring of [[Oberon's Children|Children of Mab]] by mortals, which accounts for their various unusual (by [[human]] standards) features.}} Some were worshipped as gods, while others were believed to be monsters, and consequently feared and mistreated. (Among the latter was the [[Minotaur]], [[Taurus]]'s ancestor.)<br />
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The Olympians finally became so embittered towards humans for so often persecuting them that they decided to withdraw themselves from the world. They left from various Mediterranean locales for the island of New Olympus, to shut themselves away forever. {{CIT|In the course of their departure, they invited the local [[gargoyle]] [[clan]]s to join them. Some of the gargoyles went to New Olympus with them, but others remained in the outside world, hoping that they could yet peacefully co-exist with humans.}} Exactly when this event took place is unknown, although in light of some Roman-influenced elements of New Olympian society (such as the Senate - a Roman institution, the [[Columnadium]] - which name is clearly Latin-influenced, {{CIT|and [[Jove]]}}), it presumably took place at some point after the founding of [[Rome]] (traditionally dated to [[Timeline|753 B.C.]]). New Olympus had definitely been sealed off from the outside world by the time of [[Caesar Augustus]] ([[27 B.C.]] - [[A.D. 14]]), for [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]] has been described as the first human to visit New Olympus in 2000 years.<br />
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Here the New Olympians, as they now called themselves, settled down to a certain amount of peace. But even their society was not without frictions. By the present day, it had produced one notorious criminal, the shape-shifter [[Proteus]], who caused considerable havoc and even murdered [[Taurus' Father|Taurus' father]], who was then Chief of Security, before becoming imprisoned. The New Olympians continued to (for the most part) hate humans and view them with considerable suspicion, although at the same time, they were uneasily aware that eventually the humans would discover them; New Olympus was protected by a cloaking device, but it could not withstand the developing human technology for long. {{CIT|The New Olympians also used their technology to monitor transmissions made by humans.}}<br />
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In [[1996]], [[Goliath]], Elisa, [[Angela]], and [[Bronx]] came to New Olympus on the [[Avalon World Tour]]. The New Olympians were alarmed at Elisa's presence on the island, and, fearing that she would lead others of her kind there, quickly imprisoned her. Goliath decided to break her out of prison, but Proteus, who had learned of the situation, tricked Goliath into freeing him, planning to then destroy New Olympus and make his escape. Elisa helped Taurus, who had become Chief of Security by then, recapture the treacherous shape-shifter, however, and thus showed him and the other New Olympians that not all humans were evil. The New Olympians gave her her freedom, and allowed her to leave the island with her friends. ''("[[The New Olympians]]")''<br />
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{{CIT|In the future, [[Terry Chung]] will come to New Olympus just as Elisa had done, and his visit will serve as the final catalyst for the New Olympians to reveal themselves to the outside world. Taurus, [[Talos]], and [[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]] will promptly go to New York and present their credentials at the [[United Nations]] Building, beginning diplomatic relations with humanity. Following this event, three factions will develop in New Olympian society, each one having a different attitude towards New Olympian-human relations. Some, such as [[Ekidna]], will be firmly isolationist. Others, such as Sphinx, will want to make peace. A third faction, led by Jove, will be in favor of ruling over the humans, and being worshipped as gods by them once more. By [[2198]], relations between New Olympus and the outside world will be tense but peaceful. Indeed, in 2198 the leader of New Olympus will join the other world leaders on [[Queen Florence Island]] and subsequently be taken captive by the [[Space Spawn]].}}<br />
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==Biology==<br />
New Olympians come in so many different forms that it is impossible to provide a description for an overall "norm". Some look part-human and part-animal, such as Taurus, [[Kiron]], Ekidna, {{CIT|and Sphinx.}} Others look reasonably human, but with other unusual traits, such as [[Helios]], Proteus, {{CIT|and Jove.}} With such a wide variety, it is impossible to generalize about the New Olympians.<br />
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{{CIT|New Olympian life-spans range between 13 and 250 years, depending upon the natural life-span of the mortal side of a New Olympian's ancestry.}}<br />
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==Culture==<br />
The New Olympians are technically very advanced. Their island is protected by a cloaking device, and they have developed [[New Olympian Chariots|aircars]] (modeled after ancient Greek triremes in appearance), electricity, [[force field]]s, and even robotics (as Talos is evidence of). They are, in fact, ahead of humans technologically, although humans are quickly overtaking them.<br />
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The governing body of New Olympus is a Senate. It is described as being a kingdom, although more than that is as yet unknown. {{CIT|Some form of aristocracy exists on New Olympus, of which Jove is a member.}}<br />
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{{CIT|A gargoyle clan lives on New Olympus, and has been given citizenship; the [[New Olympian Clan]] enjoy the same rights and duties as more "conventional" New Olympians. Their precise role in New Olympian society is as yet unknown, however they seem to be very isolationist, even by New Olympian standards.}}<br />
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==Known New Olympians==<br />
*[[Boreas]]<br />
*[[Ekidna]]<br />
*[[Helios]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Jove]]}}<br />
*{{CIT|[[Kalais]]}}<br />
*[[Kiron]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Medusa]]}}<br />
*[[Proteus]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]]}}<br />
*[[Talos]]<br />
*[[Taurus]]<br />
*[[Taurus's Father]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Xetes]]}}<br />
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[[Category:Canon]]<br />
[[Category:New Olympians|*]]<br />
[[Category:Species]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=New_Olympian&diff=24608New Olympian2011-08-23T23:30:21Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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'''New Olympians''' are the descendants of the beings of Greek mythology, now dwelling on the hidden island of [[New Olympus]].<br />
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==History==<br />
The New Olympians were originally known, in the time of ancient Greece, simply as [[Olympians]]. {{CIT|They originated as the offspring of [[Oberon's Children|Children of Mab]] by mortals, which accounts for their various unusual (by [[human]] standards) features.}} Some were worshipped as gods, while others were believed to be monsters, and consequently feared and mistreated. (Among the latter was the [[Minotaur]], [[Taurus]]'s ancestor.)<br />
<br />
The Olympians finally became so embittered towards humans for so often persecuting them that they decided to withdraw themselves from the world. They left from various Mediterranean locales for the island of New Olympus, to shut themselves away forever. {{CIT|In the course of their departure, they invited the local [[gargoyle]] [[clan]]s to join them. Some of the gargoyles went to New Olympus with them, but others remained in the outside world, hoping that they could yet peacefully co-exist with humans.}} Exactly when this event took place is unknown, although in light of some Roman-influenced elements of New Olympian society (such as the Senate - a Roman institution, the [[Columnadium]] - which name is clearly Latin-influenced, {{CIT|and [[Jove]]}}), it presumably took place at some point after the founding of [[Rome]] (traditionally dated to [[Timeline|753 B.C.]]). New Olympus had definitely been sealed off from the outside world by the time of [[Caesar Augustus]] ([[27 B.C.]] - [[A.D. 14]]), for [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]] has been described as the first human to visit New Olympus in 2000 years.<br />
<br />
Here the New Olympians, as they now called themselves, settled down to a certain amount of peace. But even their society was not without frictions. By the present day, it had produced one notorious criminal, the shape-shifter [[Proteus]], who caused considerable havoc and even murdered [[Taurus' Father|Taurus' father]], who was then Chief of Security, before becoming imprisoned. The New Olympians continued to (for the most part) hate humans and view them with considerable suspicion, although at the same time, they were uneasily aware that eventually the humans would discover them; New Olympus was protected by a cloaking device, but it could not withstand the developing human technology for long. {{CIT|The New Olympians also used their technology to monitor transmissions made by humans.}}<br />
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In [[1996]], [[Goliath]], Elisa, [[Angela]], and [[Bronx]] came to New Olympus on the [[Avalon World Tour]]. The New Olympians were alarmed at Elisa's presence on the island, and, fearing that she would lead others of her kind there, quickly imprisoned her. Goliath decided to break her out of prison, but Proteus, who had learned of the situation, tricked Goliath into freeing him, planning to then destroy New Olympus and make his escape. Elisa helped Taurus, who had become Chief of Security by then, recapture the treacherous shape-shifter, however, and thus showed him and the other New Olympians that not all humans were evil. The New Olympians gave her her freedom, and allowed her to leave the island with her friends. ''("[[The New Olympians]]")''<br />
<br />
{{CIT|In the future, [[Terry Chung]] will come to New Olympus just as Elisa had done, and his visit will serve as the final catalyst for the New Olympians to reveal themselves to the outside world. Taurus, [[Talos]], and [[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]] will promptly go to New York and present their credentials at the [[United Nations]] Building, beginning diplomatic relations with humanity. Following this event, three factions will develop in New Olympian society, each one having a different attitude towards New Olympian-human relations. Some, such as [[Ekidna]], will be firmly isolationist. Others, such as Sphinx, will want to make peace. A third faction, led by Jove, will be in favor of ruling over the humans, and being worshipped as gods by them once more. By [[2198]], relations between New Olympus and the outside world will be tense but peaceful. Indeed, in 2198 the leader of New Olympus will join the other world leaders on [[Queen Florence Island]] and subsequently be taken captive by the [[Space Spawn]].}}<br />
<br />
==Biology==<br />
New Olympians come in so many different forms that it is impossible to provide a description for an overall "norm". Some look part-human and part-animal, such as Taurus, [[Kiron]], Ekidna, {{CIT|and Sphinx.}} Others look reasonably human, but with other unusual traits, such as [[Helios]], Proteus, {{CIT|and Jove.}} With such a wide variety, it is impossible to generalize about the New Olympians.<br />
<br />
{{CIT|New Olympian life-spans range between 13 and 250 years, depending upon the natural life-span of the mortal side of a New Olympian's ancestry.}}<br />
<br />
==Culture==<br />
The New Olympians are technically very advanced. Their island is protected by a cloaking device, and they have developed [[New Olympian Chariots|aircars]] (modeled after ancient Greek triremes in appearance), electricity, [[force field]]s, and even robotics (as Talos is evidence of). They are, in fact, ahead of humans technologically, although humans are quickly overtaking them.<br />
<br />
The governing body of New Olympus is a Senate. It is described as being a kingdom, although more than that is as yet unknown. {{CIT|Some form of aristocracy exists on New Olympus, of which Jove is a member.}}<br />
<br />
{{CIT|A gargoyle clan lives on New Olympus, and has been given citizenship; the [[New Olympian Clan]] enjoy the same rights and duties as more "conventional" New Olympians. Their precise role in New Olympian society is as yet unknown, however they seem to be very isolationist, even by New Olympian standards.}}<br />
<br />
==Known New Olympians==<br />
*[[Boreas]]<br />
*[[Ekidna]]<br />
*[[Helios]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Jove]]}}<br />
*{{CIT|[[Kalais]]}}<br />
*[[Kiron]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Medusa]]}}<br />
*[[Proteus]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]]}}<br />
*[[Talos]]<br />
*[[Taurus]]<br />
*[[Taurus's Father]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Xetes]]}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Canon]]<br />
[[Category:New Olympians|*]]<br />
[[Category:Species]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=New_Olympian&diff=24607New Olympian2011-08-23T23:30:05Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>[[Image:NewOlympians.JPG|thumb|300px|From left to right: Boreas, Ekidna, Helios, Kiron, Proteus, and Taurus]]<br />
<br />
'''New Olympians''' are the descendants of the beings of Greek mythology, now dwelling on the hidden island of [[New Olympus]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
The New Olympians were originally known, in the time of ancient Greece, simply as [[Olympians]]. {{CIT|They originated as the offspring of [[Oberon's Children|Children of Mab]] by mortals, which accounts for their various unusual (by [[human]] standards) features.}} Some were worshipped as gods, while others were believed to be monsters, and consequently feared and mistreated. (Among the latter was the [[Minotaur]], [[Taurus]]'s ancestor.)<br />
<br />
The Olympians finally became so embittered towards humans for so often persecuting them that they decided to withdraw themselves from the world. They left from various Mediterranean locales for the island of New Olympus, to shut themselves away forever. {{CIT|In the course of their departure, they invited the local [[gargoyle]] [[clan]]s to join them. Some of the gargoyles went to New Olympus with them, but others remained in the outside world, hoping that they could yet peacefully co-exist with humans.}} Exactly when this event took place is unknown, although in light of some Roman-influenced elements of New Olympian society (such as the Senate - a Roman institution, the [[Columnadium]] - which name is clearly Latin-influenced, {{CIT|and [[Jove]]}}), it presumably took place at some point after the founding of [[Rome]] (traditionally dated to [[Timeline|753 B.C.]]). New Olympus had definitely been sealed off from the outside world by the time of [[Caesar Augustus]] ([[27 B.C.]] - [[A.D. 14]]), for [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]] has been described as the first human to visit New Olympus in 2000 years.<br />
<br />
Here the New Olympians, as they now called themselves, settled down to a certain amount of peace. But even their society was not without frictions. By the present day, it had produced one notorious criminal, the shape-shifter [[Proteus]], who caused considerable havoc and even murdered [[Taurus' Father|Taurus' father]], who was then Chief of Security, before becoming imprisoned. The New Olympians continued to (for the most part) hate humans and view them with considerable suspicion, although at the same time, they were uneasily aware that eventually the humans would discover them; New Olympus was protected by a cloaking device, but it could not withstand the developing human technology for long. {{CIT|The New Olympians also used their technology to monitor transmissions made by humans.}}<br />
<br />
In [[1996]], [[Goliath]], Elisa, [[Angela]], and [[Bronx]] came to New Olympus on the [[Avalon World Tour]]. The New Olympians were alarmed at Elisa's presence on the island, and, fearing that she would lead others of her kind there, quickly imprisoned her. Goliath decided to break her out of prison, but Proteus, who had learned of the situation, tricked Goliath into freeing him, planning to then destroy New Olympus and make his escape. Elisa helped Taurus, who had become Chief of Security by then, recapture the treacherous shape-shifter, however, and thus showed him and the other New Olympians that not all humans were evil. The New Olympians gave her her freedom, and allowed her to leave the island with her friends. ''("[[The New Olympians]]")''<br />
<br />
{{CIT|In the future, [[Terry Chung]] will come to New Olympus just as Elisa had done, and his visit will serve as the final catalyst for the New Olympians to reveal themselves to the outside world. Taurus, [[Talos]], and [[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]] will promptly go to New York and present their credentials at the [[United Nations]] Building, beginning diplomatic relations with humanity. Following this event, three factions will develop in New Olympian society, each one having a different attitude towards New Olympian-human relations. Some, such as [[Ekidna]], will be firmly isolationist. Others, such as Sphinx, will want to make peace. A third faction, led by Jove, will be in favor of ruling over the humans, and being worshipped as gods by them once more. By [[2198]], relations between New Olympus and the outside world will be tense but peaceful. Indeed, in 2198 the leader of New Olympus will join the other world leaders on [[Queen Florence Island]] and subsequently be taken captive by the [[Space Spawn]].}}<br />
<br />
==Biology==<br />
New Olympians come in so many different forms that it is impossible to provide a description for an overall "norm". Some look part-human and part-animal, such as Taurus, [[Kiron]], Ekidna, {{CIT|and Sphinx.}} Others look reasonably human, but with other unusual traits, such as [[Helios]], Proteus, {{CIT|and Jove.}} With such a wide variety, it is impossible to generalize about the New Olympians.<br />
<br />
{{CIT|New Olympian life-spans range between 13 and 250 years, depending upon the natural life-span of the mortal side of a New Olympian's ancestry.}}<br />
<br />
==Culture==<br />
The New Olympians are technically very advanced. Their island is protected by a cloaking device, and they have developed [[New Olympian Chariots|aircars]] (modeled after ancient Greek triremes in appearance), electricity, [[force field]]s, and even robotics (as Talos is evidence of). They are, in fact, ahead of humans technologically, although humans are quickly overtaking them.<br />
<br />
The governing body of New Olympus is a Senate. It is described as being a kingdom, although more than that is as yet unknown. {{CIT|Some form of aristocracy exists on New Olympus, of which Jove is a member.}}<br />
<br />
{{CIT|A gargoyle clan lives on New Olympus, and has been given citizenship; the [[New Olympian Clan]] enjoy the same rights and duties as more "conventional" New Olympians. Their precise role in New Olympian society is as yet unknown, however they seem to be very isolationist, even by New Olympian standards.}}<br />
<br />
==Known New Olympians==<br />
*[[Boreas]]<br />
*[[Ekidna]]<br />
*[[Helios]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Jove]]}}<br />
*{{CIT|[[Kalais]]}}<br />
*[[Kiron]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Medusa]]}}<br />
*[[Proteus]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]]}}<br />
*[[Talos]]<br />
*[[Taurus]]<br />
*[[Taurus's Father]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Xetes]]}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Canon]]<br />
[[Category:New Olympians|*]]<br />
[[Category:Species]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=New_Olympian&diff=24606New Olympian2011-08-23T23:29:21Z<p>Algernon: Added a pic</p>
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<div>[[Image:NewOlympians.jpg|thumb|300px|From left to right: Boreas, Ekidna, Helios, Kiron, Proteus, and Taurus]]<br />
<br />
'''New Olympians''' are the descendants of the beings of Greek mythology, now dwelling on the hidden island of [[New Olympus]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
The New Olympians were originally known, in the time of ancient Greece, simply as [[Olympians]]. {{CIT|They originated as the offspring of [[Oberon's Children|Children of Mab]] by mortals, which accounts for their various unusual (by [[human]] standards) features.}} Some were worshipped as gods, while others were believed to be monsters, and consequently feared and mistreated. (Among the latter was the [[Minotaur]], [[Taurus]]'s ancestor.)<br />
<br />
The Olympians finally became so embittered towards humans for so often persecuting them that they decided to withdraw themselves from the world. They left from various Mediterranean locales for the island of New Olympus, to shut themselves away forever. {{CIT|In the course of their departure, they invited the local [[gargoyle]] [[clan]]s to join them. Some of the gargoyles went to New Olympus with them, but others remained in the outside world, hoping that they could yet peacefully co-exist with humans.}} Exactly when this event took place is unknown, although in light of some Roman-influenced elements of New Olympian society (such as the Senate - a Roman institution, the [[Columnadium]] - which name is clearly Latin-influenced, {{CIT|and [[Jove]]}}), it presumably took place at some point after the founding of [[Rome]] (traditionally dated to [[Timeline|753 B.C.]]). New Olympus had definitely been sealed off from the outside world by the time of [[Caesar Augustus]] ([[27 B.C.]] - [[A.D. 14]]), for [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]] has been described as the first human to visit New Olympus in 2000 years.<br />
<br />
Here the New Olympians, as they now called themselves, settled down to a certain amount of peace. But even their society was not without frictions. By the present day, it had produced one notorious criminal, the shape-shifter [[Proteus]], who caused considerable havoc and even murdered [[Taurus' Father|Taurus' father]], who was then Chief of Security, before becoming imprisoned. The New Olympians continued to (for the most part) hate humans and view them with considerable suspicion, although at the same time, they were uneasily aware that eventually the humans would discover them; New Olympus was protected by a cloaking device, but it could not withstand the developing human technology for long. {{CIT|The New Olympians also used their technology to monitor transmissions made by humans.}}<br />
<br />
In [[1996]], [[Goliath]], Elisa, [[Angela]], and [[Bronx]] came to New Olympus on the [[Avalon World Tour]]. The New Olympians were alarmed at Elisa's presence on the island, and, fearing that she would lead others of her kind there, quickly imprisoned her. Goliath decided to break her out of prison, but Proteus, who had learned of the situation, tricked Goliath into freeing him, planning to then destroy New Olympus and make his escape. Elisa helped Taurus, who had become Chief of Security by then, recapture the treacherous shape-shifter, however, and thus showed him and the other New Olympians that not all humans were evil. The New Olympians gave her her freedom, and allowed her to leave the island with her friends. ''("[[The New Olympians]]")''<br />
<br />
{{CIT|In the future, [[Terry Chung]] will come to New Olympus just as Elisa had done, and his visit will serve as the final catalyst for the New Olympians to reveal themselves to the outside world. Taurus, [[Talos]], and [[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]] will promptly go to New York and present their credentials at the [[United Nations]] Building, beginning diplomatic relations with humanity. Following this event, three factions will develop in New Olympian society, each one having a different attitude towards New Olympian-human relations. Some, such as [[Ekidna]], will be firmly isolationist. Others, such as Sphinx, will want to make peace. A third faction, led by Jove, will be in favor of ruling over the humans, and being worshipped as gods by them once more. By [[2198]], relations between New Olympus and the outside world will be tense but peaceful. Indeed, in 2198 the leader of New Olympus will join the other world leaders on [[Queen Florence Island]] and subsequently be taken captive by the [[Space Spawn]].}}<br />
<br />
==Biology==<br />
New Olympians come in so many different forms that it is impossible to provide a description for an overall "norm". Some look part-human and part-animal, such as Taurus, [[Kiron]], Ekidna, {{CIT|and Sphinx.}} Others look reasonably human, but with other unusual traits, such as [[Helios]], Proteus, {{CIT|and Jove.}} With such a wide variety, it is impossible to generalize about the New Olympians.<br />
<br />
{{CIT|New Olympian life-spans range between 13 and 250 years, depending upon the natural life-span of the mortal side of a New Olympian's ancestry.}}<br />
<br />
==Culture==<br />
The New Olympians are technically very advanced. Their island is protected by a cloaking device, and they have developed [[New Olympian Chariots|aircars]] (modeled after ancient Greek triremes in appearance), electricity, [[force field]]s, and even robotics (as Talos is evidence of). They are, in fact, ahead of humans technologically, although humans are quickly overtaking them.<br />
<br />
The governing body of New Olympus is a Senate. It is described as being a kingdom, although more than that is as yet unknown. {{CIT|Some form of aristocracy exists on New Olympus, of which Jove is a member.}}<br />
<br />
{{CIT|A gargoyle clan lives on New Olympus, and has been given citizenship; the [[New Olympian Clan]] enjoy the same rights and duties as more "conventional" New Olympians. Their precise role in New Olympian society is as yet unknown, however they seem to be very isolationist, even by New Olympian standards.}}<br />
<br />
==Known New Olympians==<br />
*[[Boreas]]<br />
*[[Ekidna]]<br />
*[[Helios]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Jove]]}}<br />
*{{CIT|[[Kalais]]}}<br />
*[[Kiron]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Medusa]]}}<br />
*[[Proteus]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]]}}<br />
*[[Talos]]<br />
*[[Taurus]]<br />
*[[Taurus's Father]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Xetes]]}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Canon]]<br />
[[Category:New Olympians|*]]<br />
[[Category:Species]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=File:NewOlympians.JPG&diff=24605File:NewOlympians.JPG2011-08-23T23:25:30Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div></div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=New_Olympian&diff=24603New Olympian2011-08-23T23:18:17Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>'''New Olympians''' are the descendants of the beings of Greek mythology, now dwelling on the hidden island of [[New Olympus]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
The New Olympians were originally known, in the time of ancient Greece, simply as [[Olympians]]. {{CIT|They originated as the offspring of [[Oberon's Children|Children of Mab]] by mortals, which accounts for their various unusual (by [[human]] standards) features.}} Some were worshipped as gods, while others were believed to be monsters, and consequently feared and mistreated. (Among the latter was the [[Minotaur]], [[Taurus]]'s ancestor.)<br />
<br />
The Olympians finally became so embittered towards humans for so often persecuting them that they decided to withdraw themselves from the world. They left from various Mediterranean locales for the island of New Olympus, to shut themselves away forever. {{CIT|In the course of their departure, they invited the local [[gargoyle]] [[clan]]s to join them. Some of the gargoyles went to New Olympus with them, but others remained in the outside world, hoping that they could yet peacefully co-exist with humans.}} Exactly when this event took place is unknown, although in light of some Roman-influenced elements of New Olympian society (such as the Senate - a Roman institution, the [[Columnadium]] - which name is clearly Latin-influenced, {{CIT|and [[Jove]]}}), it presumably took place at some point after the founding of [[Rome]] (traditionally dated to [[Timeline|753 B.C.]]). New Olympus had definitely been sealed off from the outside world by the time of [[Caesar Augustus]] ([[27 B.C.]] - [[A.D. 14]]), for [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]] has been described as the first human to visit New Olympus in 2000 years.<br />
<br />
Here the New Olympians, as they now called themselves, settled down to a certain amount of peace. But even their society was not without frictions. By the present day, it had produced one notorious criminal, the shape-shifter [[Proteus]], who caused considerable havoc and even murdered [[Taurus' Father|Taurus' father]], who was then Chief of Security, before becoming imprisoned. The New Olympians continued to (for the most part) hate humans and view them with considerable suspicion, although at the same time, they were uneasily aware that eventually the humans would discover them; New Olympus was protected by a cloaking device, but it could not withstand the developing human technology for long. {{CIT|The New Olympians also used their technology to monitor transmissions made by humans.}}<br />
<br />
In [[1996]], [[Goliath]], Elisa, [[Angela]], and [[Bronx]] came to New Olympus on the [[Avalon World Tour]]. The New Olympians were alarmed at Elisa's presence on the island, and, fearing that she would lead others of her kind there, quickly imprisoned her. Goliath decided to break her out of prison, but Proteus, who had learned of the situation, tricked Goliath into freeing him, planning to then destroy New Olympus and make his escape. Elisa helped Taurus, who had become Chief of Security by then, recapture the treacherous shape-shifter, however, and thus showed him and the other New Olympians that not all humans were evil. The New Olympians gave her her freedom, and allowed her to leave the island with her friends. ''("[[The New Olympians]]")''<br />
<br />
{{CIT|In the future, [[Terry Chung]] will come to New Olympus just as Elisa had done, and his visit will serve as the final catalyst for the New Olympians to reveal themselves to the outside world. Taurus, [[Talos]], and [[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]] will promptly go to New York and present their credentials at the [[United Nations]] Building, beginning diplomatic relations with humanity. Following this event, three factions will develop in New Olympian society, each one having a different attitude towards New Olympian-human relations. Some, such as [[Ekidna]], will be firmly isolationist. Others, such as Sphinx, will want to make peace. A third faction, led by Jove, will be in favor of ruling over the humans, and being worshipped as gods by them once more. By [[2198]], relations between New Olympus and the outside world will be tense but peaceful. Indeed, in 2198 the leader of New Olympus will join the other world leaders on [[Queen Florence Island]] and subsequently be taken captive by the [[Space Spawn]].}}<br />
<br />
==Biology==<br />
New Olympians come in so many different forms that it is impossible to provide a description for an overall "norm". Some look part-human and part-animal, such as Taurus, [[Kiron]], Ekidna, {{CIT|and Sphinx.}} Others look reasonably human, but with other unusual traits, such as [[Helios]], Proteus, {{CIT|and Jove.}} With such a wide variety, it is impossible to generalize about the New Olympians.<br />
<br />
{{CIT|New Olympian life-spans range between 13 and 250 years, depending upon the natural life-span of the mortal side of a New Olympian's ancestry.}}<br />
<br />
==Culture==<br />
The New Olympians are technically very advanced. Their island is protected by a cloaking device, and they have developed [[New Olympian Chariots|aircars]] (modeled after ancient Greek triremes in appearance), electricity, [[force field]]s, and even robotics (as Talos is evidence of). They are, in fact, ahead of humans technologically, although humans are quickly overtaking them.<br />
<br />
The governing body of New Olympus is a Senate. It is described as being a kingdom, although more than that is as yet unknown. {{CIT|Some form of aristocracy exists on New Olympus, of which Jove is a member.}}<br />
<br />
{{CIT|A gargoyle clan lives on New Olympus, and has been given citizenship; the [[New Olympian Clan]] enjoy the same rights and duties as more "conventional" New Olympians. Their precise role in New Olympian society is as yet unknown, however they seem to be very isolationist, even by New Olympian standards.}}<br />
<br />
==Known New Olympians==<br />
*[[Boreas]]<br />
*[[Ekidna]]<br />
*[[Helios]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Jove]]}}<br />
*{{CIT|[[Kalais]]}}<br />
*[[Kiron]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Medusa]]}}<br />
*[[Proteus]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]]}}<br />
*[[Talos]]<br />
*[[Taurus]]<br />
*[[Taurus's Father]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Xetes]]}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Canon]]<br />
[[Category:New Olympians|*]]<br />
[[Category:Species]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Proteus&diff=24602Proteus2011-08-23T23:17:26Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>[[Image:Proteus.png|thumb|300px|Proteus]]<br />
[[Image:Proteus2.JPG|thumb|260px|Proteus as a giant cyclops]]<br />
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'''Proteus''' is a [[New Olympian]], and shape-shifting psychopath. <br />
<br />
==History==<br />
Proteus has attempted many times to wreak havoc on [[New Olympus]] and escape into the outside world, presumably to create more trouble there for his own amusement. During his (at this time of writing) penultimate attempt to escape New Olympus, he murdered [[Taurus's Father]], who was then Chief of Security. Afterwards, he was locked up in a force field cell in New Olympus's prison.<br />
<br />
When [[Goliath]], [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]], [[Angela]], and [[Bronx]] came to New Olympus on the [[Avalon World Tour]], Proteus decided to take advantage of their arrival to make a fresh escape. After Elisa was locked up by [[Taurus]], Proteus first masqueraded as her to trick Goliath into freeing him, and then, after subduing Goliath and imprisoning him in his cell, shape-shifted into Goliath to break Elisa out, hoping to trick her into leading him back to the [[skiff]]. First, however, he decided to enter the [[Columnadium]] and overload the power supply, which would have destroyed New Olympus. Fortunately, Elisa (who had by now deduced Proteus' true identity) and Taurus arrived in time to foil his scheme and overpower him. Proteus is currently back in prison again. ''("[[The New Olympians]]")''<br />
<br />
==Characteristics==<br />
Proteus is a shape-shifter, who can mimic any living thing, even distinct individuals, such as Goliath, Elisa, and Taurus. His shape-shifting presumably does not give him the full nature of what he masquerades as, however, for when he took on the form of Goliath, he did not undergo [[stone sleep]] in the daytime. <br />
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By nature, he is thoroughly evil and corrupt, delighting in deceit, psychological torture (he likes to taunt Taurus by shape-shifting into the form of his father), and senseless destruction.<br />
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==Appearances==<br />
* "[[The New Olympians]]" (First Appearance)<br />
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==Real World History==<br />
Proteus is named after a minor sea-god in Greek mythology, who looked after seals and served as their herdsman. Like the Proteus of ''Gargoyles'', he was a famous shape-shifter, although much more benevolent by nature; he was also very wise, and could even foresee the future, although he would only reveal what he knew to somebody who had overpowered him. For example, as recounted in Book Four of Homer's ''Odyssey'', when King Menelaus of Sparta and his followers were shipwrecked off the coast of Egypt on their way home from the Trojan War, they learned that in order to discover how to return to Greece, they must capture Proteus and discover what they needed to know from him. Menelaus wrestled with Proteus, who shifted his shape into many forms in an effort to escape; Menelaus persisted, however, and at last Proteus gave him the information that he needed to know.<br />
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[[William Shakespeare]] named one of the leads of his comedy ''The Two Gentlemen of Verona'' after Proteus; this Proteus more closely resembled the Proteus of ''Gargoyles'' in character, being a conniving schemer who even betrays his best friend, Valentine, and deserts his original girl-friend, Julia, after being smitten with Sylvia (whom Valentine is wooing). He repents of his evil ways at the end, however (unlike the Proteus of ''Gargoyles'').<br />
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==Production Background==<br />
'''Voice Actor:''' [[Roddy McDowall]]<br />
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==See also==<br />
*{{wikipedia2|Proteus|Proteus (mythology)}}<br />
*'''[http://www.theoi.com/Pontios/Proteus.html Proteus (mythology)]''' at the Theoi Project<br />
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[[Category:Canon characters]]<br />
[[Category:New Olympians]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Taurus&diff=24601Taurus2011-08-23T23:17:05Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>[[Image:Taurus.PNG|thumb|360px|Taurus]]<br />
[[Image:TaurusNoHelmet.PNG|thumb|360px|Taurus wearing his helm.]]<br />
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'''Taurus''' is a [[New Olympian]], and [[New Olympus]]' Chief of Security. <br />
<br />
==History==<br />
Taurus is descended from the original [[Minotaur]] who was slain by Theseus, and is himself a minotaur, as was his [[Taurus's Father|father]], who preceded him as Chief of Security, and who was murdered by [[Proteus]]. Because of his family history, Taurus was suspicious towards humans, and so when [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]] came to New Olympus on the [[Avalon World Tour]], received her hostilely, even incarcerating her to prevent her presence from causing riots among the New Olympians. However, he is also fair minded considering that when a mob gathered to harass Elisa in her cell, Taurus immediately broke it up.<br />
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When Proteus, disguised as [[Goliath]], broke Elisa out, Taurus went in pursuit of them to recapture them. He finally cornered them at the [[Columnadium]], where he defeated Proteus, and returned him to prison. Astonished that Elisa chose to remain in New Olympus to help capture the villainous shape-shifter rather than escape, he conceded that perhaps not all humans were evil, and let her leave the island with her friends. <br />
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{{CIT|Later on, he will be part of the New Olympian embassy to the outside world. While Taurus is, at first, against it, Boreas chooses him because he will keep New Olympus' best interests in mind.}}<br />
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==Appearances==<br />
* "[[The New Olympians]]" (First Appearance)<br />
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==Real World History==<br />
Taurus' name comes from the Greek word for "bull", made particularly familiar as the name of the second constellation of the Zodiac, representing Zeus in bull-form carrying Europa away to Crete.<br />
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==Production Background==<br />
'''Voice Actor:''' [[Michael Dorn]]<br />
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[[Category:Canon characters]]<br />
[[Category:New Olympians]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Minotaur_(New_Olympian)&diff=24599Minotaur (New Olympian)2011-08-23T23:16:33Z<p>Algernon: moved Taurus' Father to Taurus's Father: Possesive nouns do not work that way.</p>
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<div>[[Image:TaurusFather.JPG|thumb|360px|Proteus masquerading as Taurus' father]]<br />
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'''Taurus' father''' is a [[New Olympian]].<br />
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==History==<br />
Taurus' father was once the Chief of Security on [[New Olympus]]. He was murdered by [[Proteus]] when the shape-shifter attempted to escape the island. [[Taurus]] succeeded him as Chief of Security. Proteus has taken the form of Taurus' father from his prison cell to aggravate Taurus. ''("[[The New Olympians]]")''<br />
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==Appearances==<br />
* "[[The New Olympians]]" (Illusion)<br />
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==Production Background==<br />
'''Voice Actor:''' [[Michael Dorn]]<br />
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[[Category:Canon characters]]<br />
[[Category:New Olympians]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Taurus%27_Father&diff=24600Taurus' Father2011-08-23T23:16:33Z<p>Algernon: moved Taurus' Father to Taurus's Father: Possesive nouns do not work that way.</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Taurus's Father]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=New_Olympian&diff=24598New Olympian2011-08-23T23:13:48Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>'''New Olympians''' are the descendants of the beings of Greek mythology, now dwelling on the hidden island of [[New Olympus]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
The New Olympians were originally known, in the time of ancient Greece, simply as [[Olympians]]. {{CIT|They originated as the offspring of [[Oberon's Children|Children of Mab]] by mortals, which accounts for their various unusual (by [[human]] standards) features.}} Some were worshipped as gods, while others were believed to be monsters, and consequently feared and mistreated. (Among the latter was the [[Minotaur]], [[Taurus]]' ancestor.)<br />
<br />
The Olympians finally became so embittered towards humans for so often persecuting them that they decided to withdraw themselves from the world. They left from various Mediterranean locales for the island of New Olympus, to shut themselves away forever. {{CIT|In the course of their departure, they invited the local [[gargoyle]] [[clan]]s to join them. Some of the gargoyles went to New Olympus with them, but others remained in the outside world, hoping that they could yet peacefully co-exist with humans.}} Exactly when this event took place is unknown, although in light of some Roman-influenced elements of New Olympian society (such as the Senate - a Roman institution, the [[Columnadium]] - which name is clearly Latin-influenced, {{CIT|and [[Jove]]}}), it presumably took place at some point after the founding of [[Rome]] (traditionally dated to [[Timeline|753 B.C.]]). New Olympus had definitely been sealed off from the outside world by the time of [[Caesar Augustus]] ([[27 B.C.]] - [[A.D. 14]]), for [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]] has been described as the first human to visit New Olympus in 2000 years.<br />
<br />
Here the New Olympians, as they now called themselves, settled down to a certain amount of peace. But even their society was not without frictions. By the present day, it had produced one notorious criminal, the shape-shifter [[Proteus]], who caused considerable havoc and even murdered [[Taurus' Father|Taurus' father]], who was then Chief of Security, before becoming imprisoned. The New Olympians continued to (for the most part) hate humans and view them with considerable suspicion, although at the same time, they were uneasily aware that eventually the humans would discover them; New Olympus was protected by a cloaking device, but it could not withstand the developing human technology for long. {{CIT|The New Olympians also used their technology to monitor transmissions made by humans.}}<br />
<br />
In [[1996]], [[Goliath]], Elisa, [[Angela]], and [[Bronx]] came to New Olympus on the [[Avalon World Tour]]. The New Olympians were alarmed at Elisa's presence on the island, and, fearing that she would lead others of her kind there, quickly imprisoned her. Goliath decided to break her out of prison, but Proteus, who had learned of the situation, tricked Goliath into freeing him, planning to then destroy New Olympus and make his escape. Elisa helped Taurus, who had become Chief of Security by then, recapture the treacherous shape-shifter, however, and thus showed him and the other New Olympians that not all humans were evil. The New Olympians gave her her freedom, and allowed her to leave the island with her friends. ''("[[The New Olympians]]")''<br />
<br />
{{CIT|In the future, [[Terry Chung]] will come to New Olympus just as Elisa had done, and his visit will serve as the final catalyst for the New Olympians to reveal themselves to the outside world. Taurus, [[Talos]], and [[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]] will promptly go to New York and present their credentials at the [[United Nations]] Building, beginning diplomatic relations with humanity. Following this event, three factions will develop in New Olympian society, each one having a different attitude towards New Olympian-human relations. Some, such as [[Ekidna]], will be firmly isolationist. Others, such as Sphinx, will want to make peace. A third faction, led by Jove, will be in favor of ruling over the humans, and being worshipped as gods by them once more. By [[2198]], relations between New Olympus and the outside world will be tense but peaceful. Indeed, in 2198 the leader of New Olympus will join the other world leaders on [[Queen Florence Island]] and subsequently be taken captive by the [[Space Spawn]].}}<br />
<br />
==Biology==<br />
New Olympians come in so many different forms that it is impossible to provide a description for an overall "norm". Some look part-human and part-animal, such as Taurus, [[Kiron]], Ekidna, {{CIT|and Sphinx.}} Others look reasonably human, but with other unusual traits, such as [[Helios]], Proteus, {{CIT|and Jove.}} With such a wide variety, it is impossible to generalize about the New Olympians.<br />
<br />
{{CIT|New Olympian life-spans range between 13 and 250 years, depending upon the natural life-span of the mortal side of a New Olympian's ancestry.}}<br />
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==Culture==<br />
The New Olympians are technically very advanced. Their island is protected by a cloaking device, and they have developed [[New Olympian Chariots|aircars]] (modeled after ancient Greek triremes in appearance), electricity, [[force field]]s, and even robotics (as Talos is evidence of). They are, in fact, ahead of humans technologically, although humans are quickly overtaking them.<br />
<br />
The governing body of New Olympus is a Senate. It is described as being a kingdom, although more than that is as yet unknown. {{CIT|Some form of aristocracy exists on New Olympus, of which Jove is a member.}}<br />
<br />
{{CIT|A gargoyle clan lives on New Olympus, and has been given citizenship; the [[New Olympian Clan]] enjoy the same rights and duties as more "conventional" New Olympians. Their precise role in New Olympian society is as yet unknown, however they seem to be very isolationist, even by New Olympian standards.}}<br />
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==Known New Olympians==<br />
*[[Boreas]]<br />
*[[Ekidna]]<br />
*[[Helios]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Jove]]}}<br />
*{{CIT|[[Kalais]]}}<br />
*[[Kiron]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Medusa]]}}<br />
*[[Proteus]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]]}}<br />
*[[Talos]]<br />
*[[Taurus]]<br />
*[[Taurus' Father]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Xetes]]}}<br />
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[[Category:Canon]]<br />
[[Category:New Olympians|*]]<br />
[[Category:Species]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=New_Olympian&diff=24597New Olympian2011-08-23T23:09:43Z<p>Algernon: /* Known New Olympians */</p>
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<div>'''New Olympians''' are the descendants of the beings of Greek mythology, now dwelling on the hidden island of [[New Olympus]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
The New Olympians were originally known, in the time of ancient Greece, simply as [[Olympians]]. {{CIT|They originated as the offspring of [[Oberon's Children|Children of Mab]] by mortals, which accounts for their various unusual (by [[human]] standards) features.}} Some were worshipped as gods, while others were believed to be monsters, and consequently feared and mistreated. (Among the latter was the [[Minotaur]], [[Taurus]]' ancestor.)<br />
<br />
The Olympians finally became so embittered towards humans for so often persecuting them that they decided to withdraw themselves from the world. They left from various Mediterranean locales for the island of New Olympus, to shut themselves away forever. {{CIT|In the course of their departure, they invited the local [[gargoyle]] [[clan]]s to join them. Some of the gargoyles went to New Olympus with them, but others remained in the outside world, hoping that they could yet peacefully co-exist with humans.}} Exactly when this event took place is unknown, although in light of some Roman-influenced elements of New Olympian society (such as the Senate - a Roman institution, the [[Columnadium]] - which name is clearly Latin-influenced, {{CIT|and [[Jove]]}}), it presumably took place at some point after the founding of [[Rome]] (traditionally dated to [[Timeline|753 B.C.]]). New Olympus had definitely been sealed off from the outside world by the time of [[Caesar Augustus]] ([[27 B.C.]] - [[A.D. 14]]), for [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]] has been described as the first human to visit New Olympus in 2000 years.<br />
<br />
Here the New Olympians, as they now called themselves, settled down to a certain amount of peace. But even their society was not without frictions. By the present day, it had produced one notorious criminal, the shape-shifter [[Proteus]], who caused considerable havoc and even murdered [[Taurus' Father|Taurus' father]], who was then Chief of Security, before becoming imprisoned. The New Olympians continued to (for the most part) hate humans and view them with considerable suspicion, although at the same time, they were uneasily aware that eventually the humans would discover them; New Olympus was protected by a cloaking device, but it could not withstand the developing human technology for long. {{CIT|The New Olympians also used their technology to monitor transmissions made by humans.}}<br />
<br />
In [[1996]], [[Goliath]], Elisa, [[Angela]], and [[Bronx]] came to New Olympus on the [[Avalon World Tour]]. The New Olympians were alarmed at Elisa's presence on the island, and, fearing that she would lead others of her kind there, quickly imprisoned her. Goliath decided to break her out of prison, but Proteus, who had learned of the situation, tricked Goliath into freeing him, planning to then destroy New Olympus and make his escape. Elisa helped Taurus, who had become Chief of Security by then, recapture the treacherous shape-shifter, however, and thus showed him and the other New Olympians that not all humans were evil. The New Olympians gave her her freedom, and allowed her to leave the island with her friends. ''("[[The New Olympians]]")''<br />
<br />
{{CIT|In the future, [[Terry Chung]] will come to New Olympus just as Elisa had done, and his visit will serve as the final catalyst for the New Olympians to reveal themselves to the outside world. Taurus, [[Talos]], and [[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]] will promptly go to New York and present their credentials at the [[United Nations]] Building, beginning diplomatic relations with humanity. Following this event, three factions will develop in New Olympian society, each one having a different attitude towards New Olympian-human relations. Some, such as [[Ekidna]], will be firmly isolationist. Others, such as Sphinx, will want to make peace. A third faction, led by Jove, will be in favor of ruling over the humans, and being worshipped as gods by them once more. By [[2198]], relations between New Olympus and the outside world will be tense but peaceful. Indeed, in 2198 the leader of New Olympus will join the other world leaders on [[Queen Florence Island]] and subsequently be taken captive by the [[Space Spawn]].}}<br />
<br />
==Biology==<br />
New Olympians come in so many different forms that it is impossible to provide a description for an overall "norm". Some look part-human and part-animal, such as Taurus, [[Kiron]], Ekidna, {{CIT|and Sphinx.}} Others look reasonably human, but with other unusual traits, such as [[Helios]], Proteus, {{CIT|and Jove.}} With such a wide variety, it is impossible to generalize about the New Olympians.<br />
<br />
{{CIT|New Olympian life-spans range between 13 and 250 years, depending upon the natural life-span of the mortal side of a New Olympian's ancestry.}}<br />
<br />
==Culture==<br />
The New Olympians are technically very advanced. Their island is protected by a cloaking device, and they have developed [[New Olympian Chariots|aircars]] (modeled after ancient Greek triremes in appearance), electricity, [[force field]]s, and even robotics (as Talos is evidence of). They are, in fact, ahead of humans technologically, although humans are quickly overtaking them.<br />
<br />
The governing body of New Olympus is a Senate. It is described as being a kingdom, although more than that is as yet unknown. {{CIT|Some form of aristocracy exists on New Olympus, of which Jove is a member.}}<br />
<br />
{{CIT|A gargoyle clan lives on New Olympus, and has been given citizenship; the [[New Olympian Clan]] enjoy the same rights and duties as more "conventional" New Olympians. Their precise role in New Olympian society is as yet unknown, however they seem to be very isolationist, even by New Olympian standards.}}<br />
<br />
==Known New Olympians==<br />
*[[Boreas]]<br />
*[[Ekidna]]<br />
*[[Helios]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Jove]]}}<br />
*{{CIT|[[Kalais]]}}<br />
*[[Kiron]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Medusa]]}}<br />
*[[Proteus]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]]}}<br />
*[[Talos]]<br />
*[[Taurus]]<br />
*[[Taurus's Father]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Xetes]]}}<br />
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[[Category:Canon]]<br />
[[Category:New Olympians|*]]<br />
[[Category:Species]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=New_Olympian&diff=24596New Olympian2011-08-23T23:08:48Z<p>Algernon: Added a list of known New Olympians</p>
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<div>'''New Olympians''' are the descendants of the beings of Greek mythology, now dwelling on the hidden island of [[New Olympus]].<br />
<br />
==History==<br />
The New Olympians were originally known, in the time of ancient Greece, simply as [[Olympians]]. {{CIT|They originated as the offspring of [[Oberon's Children|Children of Mab]] by mortals, which accounts for their various unusual (by [[human]] standards) features.}} Some were worshipped as gods, while others were believed to be monsters, and consequently feared and mistreated. (Among the latter was the [[Minotaur]], [[Taurus]]' ancestor.)<br />
<br />
The Olympians finally became so embittered towards humans for so often persecuting them that they decided to withdraw themselves from the world. They left from various Mediterranean locales for the island of New Olympus, to shut themselves away forever. {{CIT|In the course of their departure, they invited the local [[gargoyle]] [[clan]]s to join them. Some of the gargoyles went to New Olympus with them, but others remained in the outside world, hoping that they could yet peacefully co-exist with humans.}} Exactly when this event took place is unknown, although in light of some Roman-influenced elements of New Olympian society (such as the Senate - a Roman institution, the [[Columnadium]] - which name is clearly Latin-influenced, {{CIT|and [[Jove]]}}), it presumably took place at some point after the founding of [[Rome]] (traditionally dated to [[Timeline|753 B.C.]]). New Olympus had definitely been sealed off from the outside world by the time of [[Caesar Augustus]] ([[27 B.C.]] - [[A.D. 14]]), for [[Elisa Maza|Elisa]] has been described as the first human to visit New Olympus in 2000 years.<br />
<br />
Here the New Olympians, as they now called themselves, settled down to a certain amount of peace. But even their society was not without frictions. By the present day, it had produced one notorious criminal, the shape-shifter [[Proteus]], who caused considerable havoc and even murdered [[Taurus' Father|Taurus' father]], who was then Chief of Security, before becoming imprisoned. The New Olympians continued to (for the most part) hate humans and view them with considerable suspicion, although at the same time, they were uneasily aware that eventually the humans would discover them; New Olympus was protected by a cloaking device, but it could not withstand the developing human technology for long. {{CIT|The New Olympians also used their technology to monitor transmissions made by humans.}}<br />
<br />
In [[1996]], [[Goliath]], Elisa, [[Angela]], and [[Bronx]] came to New Olympus on the [[Avalon World Tour]]. The New Olympians were alarmed at Elisa's presence on the island, and, fearing that she would lead others of her kind there, quickly imprisoned her. Goliath decided to break her out of prison, but Proteus, who had learned of the situation, tricked Goliath into freeing him, planning to then destroy New Olympus and make his escape. Elisa helped Taurus, who had become Chief of Security by then, recapture the treacherous shape-shifter, however, and thus showed him and the other New Olympians that not all humans were evil. The New Olympians gave her her freedom, and allowed her to leave the island with her friends. ''("[[The New Olympians]]")''<br />
<br />
{{CIT|In the future, [[Terry Chung]] will come to New Olympus just as Elisa had done, and his visit will serve as the final catalyst for the New Olympians to reveal themselves to the outside world. Taurus, [[Talos]], and [[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]] will promptly go to New York and present their credentials at the [[United Nations]] Building, beginning diplomatic relations with humanity. Following this event, three factions will develop in New Olympian society, each one having a different attitude towards New Olympian-human relations. Some, such as [[Ekidna]], will be firmly isolationist. Others, such as Sphinx, will want to make peace. A third faction, led by Jove, will be in favor of ruling over the humans, and being worshipped as gods by them once more. By [[2198]], relations between New Olympus and the outside world will be tense but peaceful. Indeed, in 2198 the leader of New Olympus will join the other world leaders on [[Queen Florence Island]] and subsequently be taken captive by the [[Space Spawn]].}}<br />
<br />
==Biology==<br />
New Olympians come in so many different forms that it is impossible to provide a description for an overall "norm". Some look part-human and part-animal, such as Taurus, [[Kiron]], Ekidna, {{CIT|and Sphinx.}} Others look reasonably human, but with other unusual traits, such as [[Helios]], Proteus, {{CIT|and Jove.}} With such a wide variety, it is impossible to generalize about the New Olympians.<br />
<br />
{{CIT|New Olympian life-spans range between 13 and 250 years, depending upon the natural life-span of the mortal side of a New Olympian's ancestry.}}<br />
<br />
==Culture==<br />
The New Olympians are technically very advanced. Their island is protected by a cloaking device, and they have developed [[New Olympian Chariots|aircars]] (modeled after ancient Greek triremes in appearance), electricity, [[force field]]s, and even robotics (as Talos is evidence of). They are, in fact, ahead of humans technologically, although humans are quickly overtaking them.<br />
<br />
The governing body of New Olympus is a Senate. It is described as being a kingdom, although more than that is as yet unknown. {{CIT|Some form of aristocracy exists on New Olympus, of which Jove is a member.}}<br />
<br />
{{CIT|A gargoyle clan lives on New Olympus, and has been given citizenship; the [[New Olympian Clan]] enjoy the same rights and duties as more "conventional" New Olympians. Their precise role in New Olympian society is as yet unknown, however they seem to be very isolationist, even by New Olympian standards.}}<br />
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==Known New Olympians==<br />
*[[Boreas]]<br />
*[[Ekidna]]<br />
*[[Helios]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Jove]]}}<br />
*{{CIT|[[Kalais]]}}<br />
*[[Kiron]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Medusa]]}}<br />
*[[Proteus]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Sphinx (New Olympian)|Sphinx]]}}<br />
*[[Talos]]<br />
*[[Taurus]]<br />
*{{CIT|[[Xetes]]}}<br />
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[[Category:Canon]]<br />
[[Category:New Olympians|*]]<br />
[[Category:Species]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Gargoyles_(SLG)&diff=24595Gargoyles (SLG)2011-08-23T22:55:32Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>'''''Gargoyles''''' was a comic book series produced by [[Creature Comics]] and published by [[Slave Labor Graphics]]. It continued the story of the ''[[Gargoyles (TV series)|Gargoyles]]'' television series after the end of season two. The first issue, "[[Nightwatch (episode)|Nightwatch]]" was released in June 2006, over ten years after the series left the air, although the events of the series pick up less than a week after "[[Hunter's Moon Part Three]]", the second season finale. (The events of ''[[The Goliath Chronicles]]'', the third season of the show, are not part of the comic book's continuity.)<br />
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Issues were written by [[Greg Weisman]], and followed his Master Plan for the ''Gargoyles'' Universe. The first two issues, "Nightwatch" and "[[The Journey]]", were adapted from an episode that Weisman wrote for ''The Goliath Chronicles'', also entitled "[[The Journey (TGC)|The Journey]]". Issues #3-5 ("[[Invitation Only]]", "[[Masque]]" and "[[Bash]]") told the Halloween "[[Double Date]]" story, a plot idea that Weisman revealed at [[Ask Greg]] in 1997.[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=538] Issue #6 ("[[Reunion]]") used a script that Weisman had written for the [[Marvel Comics]] comic book series before its cancellation.<br />
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Due to the success of the flagship comic ''Gargoyles'', Slave Labor Graphics released the first spin-off mini-series, ''[[Gargoyles: Bad Guys]]'', on November 29, 2007.<br />
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The first six issues of ''Gargoyles'' were collected in [[Gargoyles: Clan-Building, Volume One]], a trade paperback. The remaining six issues were collected in [[Gargoyles: Clan-Building, Volume Two]].<br />
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''Gargoyles'' (issues #4 to #6) won the [http://www.ursamajorawards.org/UMA_2007.htm 2007 Ursa Major Award] for Best Anthropomorphic Comic Book.<br />
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==Content freedom==<br />
Weisman was apparently allowed a freer hand on content for this series than what the TV series permitted. <br />
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For instance, the comic was able to have:<br />
*Mild expletives ("Bastard!" in "[[Bash]]")<br />
*Action with more bloodshed as in Thailog's battle in "Bash"<br />
*Somewhat sexier clothing such as Angela's dress in "[[Reunion]]"<br />
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==See also==<br />
*{{wikipedia|Gargoyles_(SLG_comic)}}<br />
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[[Category:Out-of-universe]]</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Camelot_Clan&diff=24594Talk:Camelot Clan2011-08-23T22:03:48Z<p>Algernon: </p>
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<div>Would anyone object to me moving this to "New Camalot Clan"? It seems more accurate and less likely to be confused with the clan that may or may not have existed at old Camelot? [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] 15:01, 23 August 2011 (PDT)<br />
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Nevermind, just checked Ask Greg and he says "Camelot Clan is the official name. [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] 15:03, 23 August 2011 (PDT)</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=Talk:Camelot_Clan&diff=24593Talk:Camelot Clan2011-08-23T22:01:42Z<p>Algernon: Created page with "Would anyone object to me moving this to "New Camalot Clan"? It seems more accurate and less likely to be confused with the clan that may or may not have existed at old camalot?..."</p>
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<div>Would anyone object to me moving this to "New Camalot Clan"? It seems more accurate and less likely to be confused with the clan that may or may not have existed at old camalot? [[User:Algernon|Algernon]] 15:01, 23 August 2011 (PDT)</div>Algernonhttps://www.gargwiki.net/index.php?title=David_Xanatos&diff=24592David Xanatos2011-08-23T21:20:42Z<p>Algernon: I don't think David was ever an enemy to the gargoyle race as a whole.</p>
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<div>[[Image:Xanatos3.JPG|thumb|360px|David Xanatos]]<br />
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'''David Xanatos''' is the founder, owner, and CEO of [[Xanatos Enterprises]]. Once the [[Manhattan Clan]]'s greatest enemy, but now their... host.<br />
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==History==<br />
Xanatos was born in [[Bar Harbor]], Maine, {{CIT|in [[Timeline|1955]],}} the son of [[Petros Xanatos]], a local fisherman.[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=512] In [[1975]], he received a rare 10th century coin from a mysterious stranger (actually a member of the [[Illuminati]]), which he sold to a collector for 20,000 dollars. Xanatos then used that money to found Xanatos Enterprises, increasing his wealth until now he has become one of the richest men in the world.<br />
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{{CIT|At some point before [[1994]], Xanatos' mother died. Her death had an effect on him as well as Petros and their relationship.}} [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=438]<br />
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In the course of time, Xanatos came into contact with [[Halcyon Renard]], the CEO of [[Cyberbiotics]]. He and Renard quickly became determined rivals, particularly after Xanatos lured away two of Renard's most talented employees, [[Owen Burnett]] and [[Anton Sevarius]]. Also around this time, Xanatos and Renard's daughter Janine Renard a.k.a. [[Fox]] met, and became attracted to each other.<br />
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Not long after Owen entered Xanatos' service, becoming his right-hand-man, he revealed his true identity to the billionaire as [[Puck]], and offered him a choice between a single wish from Puck, or a lifetime of service from Owen. Xanatos chose Owen, and Owen has served him very capably ever since.<br />
[[Image:XanatosGoliath.JPG|thumb|left|300px|Xanatos and Goliath]]<br />
{{CIT|At some point between 1975 and [[1994]], Xanatos obtained the ''[[Grimorum Arcanorum]]'' from [[Mary]] and [[Finella]]. The two women also, with [[Brooklyn]], arranged for him to meet [[Demona]], Owen/Puck introducing the two to each other. Demona informed Xanatos about [[Goliath]] and his clan at [[Castle Wyvern]], and the two decided to awaken them, hoping that they could prove useful for many of his less-than-legal enterprises.}}[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=7905][http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=518][http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=1952] Buying Castle Wyvern, he relocated it from the Scottish coast to the top of the [[Eyrie Building]] in New York, his personal headquarters, thus awakening the gargoyles. Next, he tricked the clan into believing that he had been robbed of three valuable computer disks from Cyberbiotics and asked them to recover them from him; in fact, the computer disks were Cyberbiotics property, which Xanatos hoped to obtain for himself. Using the information on the disks, he created the [[Steel Clan]] robots, which he intended as replacements for the gargoyles in case they turned out to be less easy to control than he had hoped. However, [[Elisa Maza]] alerted Goliath to what was actually going on, and in the ensuing melee, Goliath and his clan defeated the Steel Clan. Xanatos was afterwards arrested and sent to prison for receiving stolen property, for a few months’ time ''("[[Awakening]]")''.<br />
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He quickly got out of prison, however, thanks to good lawyers, and returned to Castle Wyvern ''("[[Enter Macbeth]]")''. While making a few efforts to recapture the gargoyles, he was now aware of the fact that bending them to his will would not be easily accomplished. And since the Steel Clan had not lived up to his expectations, he embarked on other schemes to create his own gargoyles. The first of these was by mutating four humans, including [[Maggie the Cat|Maggie Reed]] and Elisa's own brother [[Derek Maza|Derek]], into gargoyle-like creatures ''("[[Metamorphosis]]")''; this plan failed, however, when the [[Mutates]] decided to go their own way, and live in the [[Labyrinth]] as allies to Goliath and his clan ''("[[The Cage]]")''. The second was when he had Goliath cloned, producing [[Thailog]]; this scheme miscarried also, even more alarmingly, for Thailog learned from Xanatos too well, promptly robbed him of 20 million dollars, and went off on his way as a future rival ''("[[Double Jeopardy]]")''.<br />
[[Image:XanatosandFox.JPG|thumb|300px|Xanatos and Fox.]]<br />
During this time, Xanatos and Fox re-met, and finally became first engaged, then married outright. The gargoyles became involved when the [[Eye of Odin]], which Xanatos had given Fox as an engagement gift, turned her into a werefox, and began to endanger her very life; Goliath came to Xanatos' aid, and wrested the Eye from Fox, saving her ''("[[Eye of the Beholder]]")''. Xanatos invited Goliath to his wedding shortly afterwards, for the purpose of tricking him into supplying his half of the [[Phoenix Gate]] alongside Demona's; he then used the Gate to travel back in time with Fox, Petros, Goliath, and Demona to Scotland in the year [[975]]. There, Xanatos rescued [[Princess Elena]] from the [[Archmage]]'s bandits, in return for which a grateful [[Prince Malcolm]] gave him a few coins. One of these Xanatos sent to the Illuminati Society with instructions to deliver it to his younger self in 1975, hence setting up the foundations for his future wealth ''("[[Vows]]")''.<br />
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Shortly before his marriage, he became a member of the Illuminati (currently a member of the lowest rank, Thirty-Six).<br />
[[Image:XanatosDemona.JPG|thumb|left|300px|An alliance doomed to go down in flames.]]<br />
Xanatos and Goliath became allies once more, in earnest, when Demona cursed New York so that the bulk of its humans would turn to stone at night (this incident bringing his alliance with her to an end, along the way). Working together, they managed to break the spell ''("[[City of Stone]]")''. The truce was only temporary, however, for Xanatos continued to make other moves against the gargoyles, among them sending the upgraded [[Pack]] after the clan ''("[[Upgrade]]")'', kidnapping [[Hudson]] to use as a guinea pig for the [[Cauldron of Life]] ''("[[The Price]]")'', and even using Goliath and [[Angela]] for [[Coyote (Child of Oberon)|Coyote]]-bait in Arizona ''("[[Cloud Fathers (episode)|Cloud Fathers]]")''.<br />
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The real end of the war between Goliath and Xanatos came when Xanatos' son [[Alexander Fox Xanatos|Alexander]] was born, and [[Oberon]] and [[Titania]] decided to take the child away to [[Avalon]] ''("[[The Gathering Part One]]")''. Xanatos and the clan joined forces in battling Oberon, although they (even with help from Halcyon Renard and Puck) were defeated in the end. But Goliath offered the compromise of having Puck teach Alex [[magic]], which Oberon accepted. Grateful to the gargoyles for coming to Alex's rescue, Xanatos promised to do whatever he could to repay them ''("[[The Gathering Part Two]]")''.<br />
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He showed this in two ways. First, he helped solve [[Coldstone]]'s multiple personality problem by building robotic bodies to house the souls of [[Desdemona]] and [[Iago]], although he needed some help from Puck and Alexander in completing the process ''("[[Possession]]")''. Second, when the [[Clock Tower]] was destroyed by the [[Hunters]] and the gargoyles subsequently trapped by the [[Gargoyle Taskforce]] at [[Saint Damien's Cathedral]], Xanatos rescued the clan and offered them their old home in the castle, with "no catch, no plot, no strings." The feud was over ''("[[Hunter's Moon Part Three]]")''.<br />
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Shortly after the events of the Hunter's Moon, Xanatos ignored a phone call from [[Duval|Mr. Duval]] ''("[[The Journey]]")'', resulting in [[Martin Hacker]] approaching him in his office, and summoning him to a [[Halloween]] party at the [[White House]], while his own Masque (where the gargoyles would subtly be introduced to people) was taking place ''("[[Invitation Only]]")''. While at the White House, Xanatos had a private meeting with [[Quincy Hemings]] who gave him his first real mission from the Illuminati ''("[[Bash]]")''.<br />
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Upon returning to Manhattan, he summoned [[Coldsteel]] ''("[[Reunion]]")'' to assist him on a mission to steal the [[Stone of Destiny]], agreeing to permanently disable the tracking device inside Coldsteel in exchange for his cooperation. He also constructed [[Coyote (robot)|Coyote 5.0]] to take part in the mission. Xanatos then flew, with Fox and Alexander, to London ''("[[The Rock]]")''.<br />
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While in London, Xanatos used a shoe box to initiate a bomb scare at the [[Coldstream Bridge]]. During the distraction, Xanatos replaced the Stone with a duplicate. He then intended to make a double switch and stiff the Illuminati, keeping the original for himself. But the Stone itself told him this was pointless: the [[Spirit of Destiny]] could not be contained in one vessel ''("[[Rock of Ages]]")''.<br />
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{{CIT|Some time in the future, when the [[New Olympians]] reveal themselves to humanity, after they arrive at the [[United Nations]], Xanatos will attempt to "make friends" with the New Olympians. Make trade with them, and if he gets the better end of the trade, well, that's business.}}[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=1996][http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=2006]<br />
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==Characteristics==<br />
Xanatos is a strongly practical man. He considers revenge foolish and beneath him; what motivates his various actions, instead, is his practical goals. One of these is to increase his current power and influence, and that of Xanatos Enterprises; it was for this purpose that he acquired or sought to acquire such followers as the gargoyles, the Pack, and the Mutates (not to mention such employees as Owen and Sevarius). <br />
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Xanatos has no interest in taking over the world, for the simple reason that he doesn't see any need to; he's been able to accomplish the greater part of his goals under the current system.<br />
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Another goal of Xanatos is to become immortal, since he secretly fears old age and death - just as he fears anything that he can't control. ({{CIT|The death of his mother may have contributed to Xanatos' fear of death and old age.}}[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=3393]) He has made several such efforts at it, including the Cauldron of Life incident, and employing the [[Emir]] to capture [[Anubis]] ''("[[Grief]]")''; these efforts all failed, however. {{CIT|Xanatos, indeed, will eventually die, at some point before [[2198]]; however, in a deeper sense, he will gain immortality through his son Alexander.}}<br />
[[Image:Xanatos2.JPG|thumb|300px|left|Xanatos in his Steel Clan exo-frame]]<br />
Unlike many of the gargoyles' enemies, Xanatos' style as a villain may be best described as less "evil" than "amoral", in that he bears Goliath and his clan no malice or grudge, and indeed, regards them with a combination of interest and amusement. His pursuit of them was motivated purely by a desire to make use of them for his plans, and he had no difficulty (from his point of view) making peace with them after they saved his son. His various scheming activities are based on accomplishing what he wants done rather than out of hatred or vengeance - although his plans rarely show much regard for the welfare of anybody else.<br />
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However, Xanatos is not completely heartless. He does love Fox very much (a revelation which actually took him by surprise), and their son Alex as well. He also does have a strong regard, deep down, for his father Petros, in spite of their somewhat strained relations, and took care to invite Petros both to his wedding and to Alex's birth. {{CIT|While he'd prefer not to admit it, Xanatos does in fact care what his father thinks of him.}} His familial devotion serves as the other side of the coin to the smirking, machiavellian schemer. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=505]<br />
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While Xanatos is mainly a planner and trickster, he's not afraid to go into battle himself when the situation calls for it. He is well trained in the martial arts, and for those occasions when he needs more than that, has a [[Exo-Frame#David_Xanatos|crimson battle suit]] in the shape of a Steel Clan robot to don. In this armor, he was even able to battle Goliath to a standstill. In all, Xanatos is a very formidable opponent, and one not to be taken lightly.<br />
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==Appearances==<br />
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* "[[Awakening Part Two]]" (First Appearance)<br />
* "[[Awakening Part Three]]"<br />
* "[[Awakening Part Four]]"<br />
* "[[Awakening Part Five]]"<br />
* "[[The Thrill of the Hunt]]"<br />
* "[[Temptation]]" (Mentioned Only)<br />
* "[[Deadly Force]]" (Mentioned Only)<br />
* "[[Enter Macbeth]]"<br />
* "[[The Edge]]"<br />
* "[[Her Brother's Keeper]]"<br />
* "[[Reawakening]]"<br />
* "[[Leader of the Pack]]"<br />
* "[[Metamorphosis]]"<br />
* "[[Legion]]"<br />
* "[[A Lighthouse in the Sea of Time]]" (Mentioned Only)<br />
* "[[The Mirror]]" (Mentioned Only as "the [[human]]")<br />
* "[[Eye of the Beholder]]"<br />
* "[[Vows]]"<br />
* "[[City of Stone Part One]]"<br />
* "[[City of Stone Part Two]]"<br />
* "[[City of Stone Part Three]]"<br />
* "[[City of Stone Part Four]]"<br />
* "[[Outfoxed]]"<br />
* "[[Revelations]]" (Mentioned Only)<br />
* "[[Double Jeopardy]]"<br />
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* "[[Upgrade]]"<br />
* "[[The Cage]]"<br />
* "[[The Price]]"<br />
* "[[Kingdom]]"<br />
* "[[Monsters]]" (Mentioned Only)<br />
* "[[Sanctuary]]" (Mentioned Only)<br />
* "[[Grief]]" (Mentioned Only)<br />
* "[[Walkabout]]" (Mentioned Only)<br />
* "[[Sentinel (episode)|Sentinel]]" (Mentioned Only)<br />
* "[[Cloud Fathers (episode)|Cloud Fathers]]"<br />
* "[[Future Tense]]" (Illusion)<br />
* "[[The Gathering Part One]]"<br />
* "[[The Gathering Part Two]]"<br />
* "[[Possession]]"<br />
* "[[Hunter's Moon Part One]]"<br />
* "[[Hunter's Moon Part Two]]" (Mentioned Only)<br />
* "[[Hunter's Moon Part Three]]"<br />
* "[[Nightwatch (episode)|Nightwatch]]"<br />
* "[[The Journey]]"<br />
* "[[Invitation Only]]"<br />
* "[[Masque]]"<br />
* "[[Bash]]"<br />
* "[[Reunion]]" (No Lines)<br />
* "[[The Rock]]"<br />
* "[[Rock and Roll|Rock & Roll]]" (No Lines)<br />
* "[[Rock of Ages]]"<br />
|}<br />
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==Behind the Scenes==<br />
'''Voice Actor:''' [[Jonathan Frakes]]<br />
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During the show's development, Xanatos was originally known as '''Xavier''' and he was the descendant of the wizard that originally cursed the gargoyles to sleep for a thousand years. According to [[Greg Weisman]], he was, ''"rich, powerful and petulant. Very Captain Hook."''[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=574] This idea of a descendant of an ancient enemy was eventually used for [[Wolf]] and [[Hakon]] in "[[Vendettas]]".<br />
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The name Xavier was eventually dropped because of the similarity to Professor X (Charles Xavier) in ''X-Men''. Still, [[Greg Weisman]] wanted a name with a similar sound to it. Thinking of Thanatos, the Ancient Greek God of Death, and since X and TH sounds are often interchanged, he tried the name Xanatos, which was quickly accepted by other crew members. Some time later, he checked the phone book and found that Xanatos was in fact a real name. The character's first name, David, was chosen specifically because the master gargoyle had been named Goliath, thus echoing the Biblical story of David and Goliath, but with the hero and villain roles reversed.[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=689]<br />
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Odysseus was also in Greg Weisman's mind when developing Xanatos into a human trickster, particularly when the character became Greek-American.[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=5586]<br />
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==References/Parody==<br />
In the third season finale of the Adult Swim series, ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venture_Bros. The Venture Bros.],'' their arch-enemy, the Monarch, dons a suit of armor he calls his "Deaths-Head Panoply." The armor bears several similarities to Xanatos' Steel Clan armor, except in gold and with a butterfly motif instead of a gargoyle.<br />
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On [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage TV Tropes], a wiki devoted to cataloging and defining various writing "tropes", the [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit Xanatos Gambit] was named for David Xanatos' signature style of turning any defeat into a victory. Before long, "Xanatos" became a standard modifier for pages relating to devious planning (i.e. "Xanatos Roulette" for a Gambit gone out of control, or "Xanatos Sucker" for the person being manipulated), culminating in a sub-section of such tropes being titled, "Xanatos Planned This Index".<br />
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==See also==<br />
*{{wikipedia|David_Xanatos}}<br />
*[http://wikiality.com/David_Xanatos '''David Xanatos'''] at Wikality, the Truthiness Encyclopedia<br />
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'''The Xanadu Clan''' is a [[gargoyle]] [[clan]] located in [[Xanadu, China|Xanadu]], [[China]].<br />
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==History==<br />
One of the older clans still in existence, the Xanadu Clan has hidden in the northern mountains of [[China]] for centuries. Almost nothing is known about the Xanadu Clan other than that they have taken it upon themselves to protect the [[gargoyle beast]] species.[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=2587] They actually specialize in breeding the beasts as companions and "guard-dogs." In fact, this clan may be responsible for saving the beasts from extinction, as they are rare among other clans.[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=7313]<br />
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The Xanadu Clan will be one of the founding members of the [[Gargoyle Nation]]. The leader of the Clan and the Clan's [[eggs]] will be kidnapped in [[2198]] when the [[Space-Spawn]] attack [[Queen Florence Island]].<br />
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==Characteristics==<br />
It seems that the gargoyle members of this Clan resemble small-scale dragons. The beast clan members resemble the fu-dogs of Chinese architecture.<br />
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==Known Members==<br />
*[[Fu-Dog]] - leaves to join [[Brooklyn]], and ultimately, the [[Manhattan Clan]].<br />
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The '''Wyvern Clan (split)''' was a [[clan]] of [[gargoyles]] in ancient [[Scotland]].<br />
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==History==<br />
This clan of gargoyles were members of the [[Wyvern Clan]] until they split away sometime between [[988]] and [[994]] because [[Castle Wyvern]] could no longer support so many gargoyles, and/or the [[humans]] there would no longer tolerate such a large population.<br />
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Given the number of [[eggs]] in the Wyvern [[rookery]], and clues from [[Greg Weisman]], one can estimate that there were approximately 30-50 gargoyles in this clan. They took no eggs with them when they left, due to the difficulty of establishing a new rookery, but younger gargoyles and [[gargoyle beasts]] were part of this clan.<br />
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This group of gargoyles would form a new clan elsewhere, almost certainly somewhere in Scotland. It is unknown what their protectorate was, or if they had an alliance with any humans.<br />
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Unfortunately, by [[997]], this clan had been destroyed, quite possibly due to [[Constantine]]'s actions to wipe out all the gargoyles in Scotland (he slaughtered the [[Sruighlea Cell]] that year, shortly before the [[Battle of Rathveramoen]]). However, several members of this clan survived and went on to form the [[Wyvern Cell]] of [[Demona's Clan]].<br />
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==Characteristics==<br />
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Members of this clan shared the same physical characteristics as those of the Wyvern Clan and [[Avalon Clan]] including a variety of leathery wings, different shapes, sizes and number of brow horns, diverse coloration in skin and hair, and other features shown in gargoyles of their race.<br />
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==Known Members==<br />
*"[[Second]]"<br />
*"[[Sacrifice]]"<br />
*"[[Brooksbro]]"<br />
*"[[Chomp]]"<br />
*"[[Chaw]]"<br />
*"[[Schnozz]]"<br />
*"[[Kermit]]"<br />
*"[[True]]"<br />
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==Possible Members==<br />
*[[Blue Beaked Gargoyle (Demona's Clan)|Blue Beaked Gargoyle]]<br />
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The '''Wyvern Clan''' is a [[gargoyle]] [[clan]] that will form at some point in the future.<br />
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==History==<br />
Sometime between [[Timeline#1997|1997]] and [[2188]], this clan will be founded in [[Wyvern]], [[Scotland]] in an attempt to recolonize the site of one of the oldest known clans. Though it is possible that gargoyles from around the world will join this clan, gargoyles from the [[Manhattan Clan]], the [[Labyrinth Clan]], and the [[Avalon Clan]] would be most prevalent as these three clans all have their roots in the ancient [[Wyvern Clan]]. [http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=7492]<br />
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According to [[Greg Weisman]], the Wyvern Clan will be more "back-to-basics," "attempting to return to the ancient ways of their race. Shunning technology for a simpler, better life." The Wyvern Clan will build some sort of structure to live in to replace [[Castle Wyvern]].[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=8117] Their protectorate will be the lands around [[Wyvern Hill]], just as the ancient clan protected it.<br />
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The new Wyvern Clan will be the twelfth clan to join the [[Gargoyle Nation]], being founded before the [[Liberty Clan]] and after the [[Camelot Clan]]. Like the other eleven clans, their leader and their [[eggs]] will be kidnapped by the [[Space-Spawn]] in [[2198]] from [[Queen Florence Island]].<br />
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==Characterisitics==<br />
As mentioned, gargoyles from many different clans may help form this clan, but the make-up of this clan will mostly be descended one way or another from the original Wyvern Clan. Therefore, the characteristics of that clan will probably be most evident.<br />
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