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Umm, Samuel, have you read the [[GargWiki:Copyrights]] for this site?  It clearly says
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So I'm afraid [[Gargoyles (TV series)]] will have to go.--[[User:M m hawk|Moeen]] 22:38, 16 November 2007 (CST)
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:Thanks for trying, though. Some sort of article on [[Gargoyles (TV series)]] would be appreciated. And there's nothing to stop us ''linking'' to the Wikipedia page. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 12:38, 17 November 2007 (CST)
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::Oh, darn.  Thanks for correcting me.  :( --[[User:SamuelB|SamuelB]] 00:01, 18 November 2007 (CST)
  
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Okay, if you like, here are some ideas for Grimorum. Assuming that GargWiki remains as is, it seems to me that the best way to distinguish Grimorum as a separate and worthwhile entity would be to either restrict the scope of the site or expand it.
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In the first case, you'd have to make a conscious choice to just ignore some elements of ''Gargoyles'' that we include here at GargWiki. Obvious choices would include canon-in-training information (which on its own that probably wouldn't be enough), or apocryphal information of any kind, or even anything outside the television series. The problem with this idea is that the wiki with the narrower scope would need to be a lot more detailed (or there would be no reason for the wider, more detailed wiki to link back to it), and at the moment GargWiki is a lot more detailed that Grimorum. Also, it might require the deletion of some articles that you've already created, which might not be nice for the editors of those articles.
  
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In the second case, you'd want to start including things at Grimorum that GargWiki has consciously chosen to ignore. The only thing that I can think of which fits this description is fan-made information. You could possibly allow editors to just make up their own characters or situations, and add them to the wiki. Although this may seem bizarre, it has many advantages. The template structure that Grimorum already uses would make it easy to add fanon characters, and other fanon wikis work quite happily alongside canon counterparts (see http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Fan_Fiction for a list). And, hey, there's a huge collection of fan-made characters out there. The problem with this suggestion, though, is that it vastly changes the direction and purpose of the wiki. The current staff of Grimorum just may not like the idea.
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Anyway, those are just two ideas. Do with them what you will. -- [[User:Supermorff|Supermorff]] 03:45, 21 February 2008 (CST)
  
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:Thanks. :) I appreciate the help.  I'll pass it along and see the reactions. - [[User:SamuelB|SamuelB]] 22:02, 21 February 2008 (CST)
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Umm, Samuel, have you read the GargWiki:Copyrights for this site? It clearly says

"Wikipedia deserves a mention here. Since GargWiki does not work under the GNU Documentation License (unlike some other wiki projects), it is not permissible to copy material directly from Wikipedia to this website. Brief quotes from Wikipedia may be allowed, if properly cited, but extensive copying will be removed. It is still preferable that all entries on this wiki be original work."

So I'm afraid Gargoyles (TV series) will have to go.--Moeen 22:38, 16 November 2007 (CST)


Thanks for trying, though. Some sort of article on Gargoyles (TV series) would be appreciated. And there's nothing to stop us linking to the Wikipedia page. -- Supermorff 12:38, 17 November 2007 (CST)
Oh, darn. Thanks for correcting me.  :( --SamuelB 00:01, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Ideas

Okay, if you like, here are some ideas for Grimorum. Assuming that GargWiki remains as is, it seems to me that the best way to distinguish Grimorum as a separate and worthwhile entity would be to either restrict the scope of the site or expand it.

In the first case, you'd have to make a conscious choice to just ignore some elements of Gargoyles that we include here at GargWiki. Obvious choices would include canon-in-training information (which on its own that probably wouldn't be enough), or apocryphal information of any kind, or even anything outside the television series. The problem with this idea is that the wiki with the narrower scope would need to be a lot more detailed (or there would be no reason for the wider, more detailed wiki to link back to it), and at the moment GargWiki is a lot more detailed that Grimorum. Also, it might require the deletion of some articles that you've already created, which might not be nice for the editors of those articles.

In the second case, you'd want to start including things at Grimorum that GargWiki has consciously chosen to ignore. The only thing that I can think of which fits this description is fan-made information. You could possibly allow editors to just make up their own characters or situations, and add them to the wiki. Although this may seem bizarre, it has many advantages. The template structure that Grimorum already uses would make it easy to add fanon characters, and other fanon wikis work quite happily alongside canon counterparts (see http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Fan_Fiction for a list). And, hey, there's a huge collection of fan-made characters out there. The problem with this suggestion, though, is that it vastly changes the direction and purpose of the wiki. The current staff of Grimorum just may not like the idea.

Anyway, those are just two ideas. Do with them what you will. -- Supermorff 03:45, 21 February 2008 (CST)

Thanks.  :) I appreciate the help. I'll pass it along and see the reactions. - SamuelB 22:02, 21 February 2008 (CST)
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